Hebrews 12:16-17 ?

Question

Does this verse teach that if a Christian commits one sin that he traded Heaven for that sin and crossed the deadline ? How is this compatible with James 5:15 and 1 John 2:1 ? Why is the Hebrews passage in the Bible ?

Answer 1

I believe the problem with Esau was that he couldn't change the consequences of what he had done. He was unable to "undo" the covenant he had made with his brother. God takes what we say very seriously.

However, forgiveness was certainly available to Esau and all of us. It was not some kind of "unpardonable sin".

The other passages you've referenced back this up - forgiveness is always available from our merciful God.

Many of us still suffer consequences, though - but " all things work together for good"..........

Answer 2

There are sins that are covered by the blood,these are sins that are not willful sin.It may be a sin that is committed ignorantly,Numbers 15:28.Or it may be when we find ourselves overwhelmed by a situation in this case the Lord looks at the heart, and what our intention was.

Willful and presumptuous sins are not covered by the blood, Numbers 15:30-31, Hebrews 10:29 and 2 Peter 2:10-22.Take note here in Hebrews and in 2 Peter that these were Christians that had fallen from grace, Hebrews "wherewith he (was) sanctified"
2 Peter 15 "Which have forsaken the right way,and gone astray"

Note: 1 John 5:16-17 Here you will find that sin is sin but there still remains a sin that is unto death.

For my Brother/Sister who seems to believe that once your saved your always saved,and if your not you never were.I believe that these scriptures provide proof that this doctrine is false and should not be taught to anyone.You might also take note how in Rev.3:1-6 the church in Sardis is admonished to "Be watchful,and strengthen the things which remain,(that are ready to die)" verse 2a.Something can die unless it was first alive.Also they are told that if they don't do this that their names will be blotted out of the book of life, verse 5.Thats about as saved as one can get.

Our security is found only in Christ.Those that choose not to follow Him are no longer a part of Him.God is Patient and longsuffering and is not willing that any should perish,but the final decision is still ours.Hebrews 6:4-6.










UNCLE BUD you left out the part about the baby...........

Answer 3

"Hebrews 12:16-17 ?
Does this verse teach that if a Christian commits one sin that he traded Heaven for that sin and crossed the deadline ?"

No, it doesn't.

The verses in Hebrews is talking about voluntarily giving up that which you should have had, not the occasional sin.

Answer 4

Hebrew 12 :16-17Godless like Esau Genesis 25:29-34. Esau had no appreciation for true values,and was profane in his outlook on life.Philippians 3:18-19. He 'despised his birthright' Genesis25:34 by valuing food for his stomach more than his birthright.In Hebrew12:17 he was rejected.Because he only regretted his loss,and did not repent of his sin Genesis 27 , especially v. 41 His sorrow was not 'godly sorrow' that brings repentance that leads to salvation.' but 'worldly sorrow' that brings death' 2 Cor.7:10.the blessing.Of the firstborn.The readers were thinking of compromising their faith in order to gain relief from persecution. But to trade their spiritual birthright for temporary ease in the world would deprive them of Christ's blessing. with tears Genesis 27: 34-38. Now for James 5:15 put in to easier text And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick well ; the Lord will raise him up.If he had sinned , he will be forgiven.

Answer 5

This passage refers to the story of Esau and Jacob, Isaac's sons, in Genesis, particularly chapters 25 - 27. Esau was the first-born, but gave up the rights of the first-born son for some food. In other words, he surrendered a supernatural blessing (as it was seen at the time) for something very much earthly. The passage from Hebrews simply warns against choosing the things of earth over the things of Heaven. It does NOT preclude forgiveness.

Answer 6

The Bible does teach that there is sin that leads to death, damnation. However, most commonly, it is the practice of willful sin that leads to this, not a misstep.

However, a misstep is not equal to willful sin is it?

Hebrews 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries.

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When you examine Esau's act, it was clearly deep-rooted contempt of his birthright. He did it because of not appreciating this Holy right, and repentance was not possible.

The fact that the results gave him second thoughts and made him reconsider, did not change his attitude and his action this attitude caused. Thus is was very clearly a willful act.

This is what we are being warned against. Similar attitudes that lead to sin would be willful and therefore repentance and forgiveness unobtainable.

Answer 7

You are committing a cardinal error in logic here by essentially taking two verses of the Bible completely out of context and then trying to compare them to two other verses taking completely out of context. The result? Well, the comparison is relatively meaningless.

I think what you are forgetting is that there are MANY verses in a variety of contexts that basically say this: God WILL forgive all sins... but only if you ask him and/or repent. Perhaps Esau never repented of his sins. That is one way to look at this. Here is a better one...

Perhaps God DID forgive him and you are missing the entire point of his example: we need to take our actions seriously. It is not that Esau's sins were not forgiven. Read the story of Esau and Jacob and you'll find he merely lost his family blessing to Jacob, not necessarily his life or soul. In this context, the story is a parable about taking our words and actions seriously. There are consequences. You give us two verses, but conveniently skip the verses that come before and after it. The two verses before these show us that we are talking about living in peace with one another, which is exactly what the Esau story is all about. This is followed by verses that basically say this: we need to obey God. We need to live clean lives, be unselfish, or there will be consequences. Even if we are forgiven for our sins, there are still consequences for all of our actions. That is ultimately what the book of Hebrews is all about.

Answer 8

Esau was more concerned with the things of the flesh, rather than the things of the spirit. Later he came to regret the early focus. This scripture in Hebrews is dealing with our focus. Do we care more for the deeds of the flesh, or the works of the Spirit? Such a focus could poison a walk, and thereby fall into those deeds listed.

Answer 9

No. The Hebrews 12:16-17 passage is about refusing God. It's not that one sin trades away heaven. It's that you have to accept the grace of God in your mind, and not just by showing tears of remorse.

In other words, you can't just talk the talk.....

IMHO

Answer 10

simply....hebrews 12:16-17 is saying....even repentace and forgivness do not always eliminate sins consequences. Many people make decisions based on what they want now, rather than what they need in the long run. Evaluate the long-range of your decisions and actions.

Esau's story told in (Gen. 25:29-34;27:36)