Christians, do you like these FACTUAL talking points?

Question

The Founders of the USA largely shared a very narrow view of the Separation of Church and State. They proved this both by their words and, more importantly, their ACTIONS.

1) They didn't want a NATIONAL FEDERAL official State Church as Great Britain had with the Church of England.

2) They didn't want Christianity declared the official religion at the NATIONAL FEDERAL level.

3) They had ZERO problem with the Sovereign States and Other Governmental bodies declaring themselves to be Christian in inspiration and character.

4) They had ZERO problem with Schools at all levels teaching the valuable lesson to found in the Holy Bible.

5) They encouraged Schools to start every day with prayers.

6) They would vomit if they heard today's lib-freak atheists claim that ANY of them would support their extremist Anti-Christian agenda.

I knew one of the unlearned lib-freaks would attempt to claim Thomas Jefferson as a fellow Christian-Hater. Another FACT. As Founder of the University of Virginia, TJ issued a copy of the New Testament to EVERY incoming student. And TESTED them on it.

Answer 1

Here are so more statistics:

In the 60s not one kid shot his class mates. Christian faith was a part of school. discipline was a part of school

We took them both out.

Now kids are shooting kids in schools.

Bummer.

Answer 2

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Answer 3

You are ignorant of history. Country was founded on secularism.

1-3) The Virginia Statute for Religious freedom pre-dates the US Constitution and was drafted by Thomas Jefferson in 1776. It was the first document in the hisotory of the world that stated the men should be free to practice their religion as they see fit... or not. Atheist were around in those days too. This was written by Thomas Jefferson and championed by James Madison.

3) Several states like Massachusetts had already set up official churches but decided at the Constitutional Convention in 1791 that they had erred. After hearing the inpassioned words of secularist. they ratified the religious freedom of expression on a federal level and then went home and re-wrote their own state constitutions to include it.

4) What valuable lesson can anyone learn from a Bible? How to contridict oneself? How to kill a hooker or own slaves? Murder perhaps?

5) No, no one on a fesderal level encouraged schools to begin with prayer. To do so would violate the 1st amendment.

6) No they would not vomit at me for maintaining religious freedom. They would freak out at how so many christians want to trade liberty for all for the very thing they fled england for. Religious tyranny. The zombie founders would b@$chslap you.

Answer 4

Andy Rooney
DID YOU KNOW? As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view .. it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!
DID YOU KNOW?

As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door
DID YOU KNOW?


As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall,
right above where the Supreme Court judges sit,
a display of the Ten Commandments.

DID YOU KNOW?




There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
DID YOU KNOW?



James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:


"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
DID YOU KNOW?

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:


"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

DID YOU KNOW?


Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.


DID YOU KNOW?



Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.


DID YOU KNOW?

Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law an oligarchy*


*the rule of few over many(especially by a small faction of persons or families.)


DID YOU KNOW?


The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:

"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."


How, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

Lets put it around the world and let the world see and remember what this great country was built on.
Chamber, US House of Representatives


It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore, it is very hard to understand why there is such a mess about having the Ten Commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the other 14% to Sit Down and Be Quiet!!!

Answer 5

Yes, great, it's very sad what people think today - it
is heading towards the end times quickly.

There is a scripture about truth no longer being tolerated.

2 Timothy 4:3 (Amplified Bible)
3For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold.

Answer 6

I think Jesus would have said, "Let the dead bury the dead." and "Give to Ceasar what's Ceasar's" and "go preach the word, be at it diligently..." "the good news of the kingdom of God." We're not Paul's or Barnabas' or some denomination's. When everyone get and understands the message, the end will come. I don't think it's in the gov's hands. It's not their job. They are the world.

Answer 7

They didn't use the words National and Federal. They said there should be no state religion and that the state and religion should be kept apart.

As for your points 3 to 6, I have read a lot of history and never saw one of those statements, ever.

Answer 8

I beg to differ. Since Christians made the positive assertion that their God exists, but have utterly failed to provide one shred of tangible evidence to support their assertion, they have lost the moral high ground. No reasonable person need believe them. It is always impossible to prove a negative assertion because all possible circumstances cannot be tested. This means atheists have no logical requirement to prove their position. It is the Christians who have made extraordinary claims they cannot substantiate. In my view, this means it is the Christians who are the extremists. Christian fundamentalists are positively eager for Armageddon. Thus, it is Christian extremists who are the sworn enemy of all human civilization and my bitter enemy. The human species will never achieve its full potential until we rid ourselves of the ancient superstitions and extremist bigotry of our bronze age ancestors.

Answer 9

Calling that list 'factual' is like calling the Pope Baptist. Open an actual history book instead of a Bible sometime, sweetheart.

Answer 10

I believe the intention of the founding fathers was to create an environment of religious freedom in our country. That means you have freedom from the fear of government persecution for your faith....REGARDLESS of what you believe.

They never meant for Christianity to be taught in the public schools, or endorsed by the state......

They also never meant for Christianity to be silenced by those crying "Separation of church and state!".

True freedom comes when we are allowed to express our faith in public without fear of reprisal. That, my friends, is what we have lost in the last century.

Answer 11

Times have changed. There are so many more different religions with large followings in the US. The "Old Days" are gone forever and never coming back. Any government that doesn't change with the times is in trouble.