Question to Sceptics/atheists/ Evolutionists Universes creation?

Question

Lets assume that your broad "theories" are correct regarding humanism, big bang etc. Lets go before the big bang. What was there before that? Where did the dimension of time come from? Lets assume that the universes slowly evolved from nothing. What is the nothing and where did it come from?

Think of pre-universes as a blank piece of paper, where did the blank piece of paper come from to form all these universes and who or what put that blank piece of paper there? Or was that blank piece of paper always there? If so, how can something have always been? Doesn't the Word of God say that God is the beginning and the end, and that HE always was and always will be? who or what started the processes matter that eventually turned into the beginnings of universes? I would truly appreciate a thorough answer. Thanks!

Please don't answer a question with a question. Thank you! Many of your assumptions are that I have a creationist view, I saw one comment that the blank piece of paper(nothingness) could have always existed if so it had to be able to create hence some form of God (aka creator)

I am disappointed in the answers I received for the most part because all you wanted to try to prove there is no God instead of giving me an insight into a few of the questions I asked? Lets not play the logic game. Give me your best answer not some drivel mocking the God of the Bible which you already assumed is flawed, Put up or give up a good response.

I am still disappointed to see the hatred toward a God that you don't believe exists in your answers. I have seen some real good ones though. I appreciate your answers of I don't know and that just because you can't explain it doesn't mean God did it because that is good logic. Obviously it takes faith to believe in a God and lets leave it at that.

If you don't want to believe an intelligent agent created the universes you are entitled to your view. Ultimately, our finite minds in this dimension cannot fully ever fathom and understand how , what,when, where of these questions and that is what confuses me most about those who rely so heavily on scientific theories because you act like only science can have the answers. Is it completely out of the realm of your possibilities that an Intelligent agent exists?

Answer 1

yep! You got it! I like it! And you know what?....lots of scientists agree with you!!--Be Blessed!

Answer 2

This problem is known as negative progression. Simple put, it is the assertion that everything must have a cause.

This assertion has not been proved. Rather, it is often taken as a mere premise, which may or may not be correct.

Assume for the moment that it is true; everything must have cause. Our parents came from their parents, their parents come from their parents, and so on.

Which, if this line of thinking is taken to the extreme, then the question remains, where did our original parents come from?

Many religions would say that their god created the first human beings, that their god is the "unmoved mover". This is also one of St. Thomas Aquinas' so-called proofs of God.

However, if one is to play this game of negative progression, then they would also have to define what caused their god. Since everything must have a cause, then their god must also have a cause.

Its considered cheating if someone were to change the rules of a game while in the middle of playing. And this is where most, if not all, religions fail in honesty or logic (your choice).

If a religion were to claim that their god was the start of everything else, they would have to prove the following;

1) The negative progression problem is an valid premise.
2) The negative progression problem has a solution
3) This solution has been solved by their religion
4) There was only one cause, and not multiple causes
5) Their god was the cause of everything else.

This is a tall order to fulfill.

Again, this approach is considered cheating. One can also make the assertion that a unicorn, a dragon, or other mystical beast created the world. Note that this not so far fetched as you might believe.

Having a book that says so does not make this assertion true - there have been many books and documents that say other deities were the cause of the world and universe.

No one knows where everything originally came from. And that includes you too ;)

Rob

Answer 3

I think that the "big bang" is something so complex that there is no way to really explain how it happened or especially how it happened if nothing else existed before it.

Maybe there was always something there....maybe there was no beginning and something was always just there waiting to happen. It's possible that there was never any inexistance or nothingness and the big bang happened when the right combination of outer space (which remember always existed without any beginning, or so my theory goes) materials (dust and whatnot) and gases and who knows what came together and caused the big bang.

Unfortunately we will never know for sure.....but isn't having all these theories and using our brains to come up with new ones much more fun than taking the easy way out by saying "God created everything and that's that"? That's just a little too conveniant for me and offers no thought or effort....it's just like when you ask mom or dad something when you're young and they just say "cause I said so".

Answer 4

It is always better to admit that you just don't know the answer to a question instead of making up something you have no evidence for and claiming it to be the truth.

Science doesn't have a solid explanation for what the universe was like before the Big Bang, but that is still better than the mythology religions develop to explain it.

You'll never find the truth by clinging to a lie. Only by abandoning the lies religions tell and beginning a search for the truth will humanity ever find the true answer to our origins.

Answer 5

Can't say exactly. I'm not an expert in this department, but I think the idea is that in the beginning there was absolute nothingness or oneness. There were no dimensions, no matter, no energy, nothing. In our universe this was well... Not allowed. Because of this nothing became something at such a rapid rate that the big bang happened. The big bang created all the dimensions, matter, and energy in our universe. Since this is supposed to have put time in motion, there was supposedly nothing before this.

Well, this is only my interpretation of things. Don't take my word for it, I'm not sure. To tell you the truth, I don't know exactly and would like to be enlightened myself.

Answer 6

I am not a physycist, may i suggest a book:
A Brief History of Time, by Stephen Hawking.

Whatever caused the universe to be, doesn't have to be labeled as "god", some being who conciously created everything...

Religious people think they have the answers, atheists know that we don't have them all. We are merely humans, part of the animal kingdom on the 3rd major rock from an average star, in a galaxy of stars, which is in an enormous universe. The bible was written before people realized this.

Answer 7

To an atheist, the "word of god" does not exist. Just because science has not yet discovered all of the answers to our questions, does not automatically make God the answer to the unknown. Rather, a creator is very unlikely because in order for things to evolve, it has to start from something simple and over time become complex. The creator cannot create itself. Therefore, however it all happened, it started from something simple. Not complex like God.

Answer 8

So far, we have no glimpses of the pre-universe, so anything is speculation. We can make mathematical models that have the paper preexisting, of there being no paper.

Time is a mathematical dimension, not a physical dimension that simply describes change. It characterizes our experiencing a progression.

There is no reason to believe that that the universe has to have a cause, and arguments for God from First Cause have no validity.

Answer 9

You FunnyFoolishFundy; why do you want me to apply TimeSpaceLogicReason to my theories of origin when yours are completely off the chart.

You expect us Atheists to believe there's an InvisibleSkyChappie who made all this in the blink of an eye and ... no, no, no - it wasn't a blink of an eye, was it?
It took the amateur SkyPixie you worship six days. I’ll say that again. It took the amateur SkyPixie you worship six days - yes! SIX (6) AND then he had to have a lie down cos it was too much like hard work.

Any god worth his salt coulda whipped all this up in POINT 006 seconds and then gone out on the town, dancing with the missus.

Sheesh.
Doesn’t the process your SkyCritter went through, as written in Genesis, sound just TOO much like a coupla guys having a few beers and making up a story to suck in the dummies.
Come on! Think!
Even Ron L Hubbard spun a better and more credible line than that and he was stark raving mad.

I’m wasting my time – as someone wiser than I said: They didn’t have this stuff stuck into their heads with LogicReason so, you won’t get it outa their heads with LogicReason.


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DuckPhup if I coulda given you 10 ticks or stars I would.
That was a thing of beauty.
*tips hat*



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Answer 10

Science doesn't know the how or why of the Big Bang. All we can do is guess.

Incidental trivia -- From a physicist's point of view it is meaningless to speak of a time before the Big Bang. It is believed that space and time came into existence at that the Big Bang event. Spooky, isn't it?

Answer 11

Religious dogma also says that God is three in one: father, son, holy spirit. It says that the three always were and always will be but how can a father have a son that always was and why did the father need a virgin birth to beget the son who always was.
More interesting is the question: Why is god so unclear in his inspired writings that he now needs a multitude of interpreters who get their jollies sexually abusing children. And it's not just Christian abusers.