Christians, what do you think about this debate?

Question

You said,

All that sounds Completely logical. but i still feel that there has to be some kind of spark that started life. It's kind of impossible to say that the organisms and gasses that started life appeared out of no where. something had to put it there.

My reply,

Why didn't you ask "Who made God?" What sparked that? If God made everything, you still have to go back to square 1. Who made God? If God can be infinite, so can the Universe. Why stop at God? Is your conclusion selfishly motivated? Do you choose to give all the credit to something that you THINK is doing something for you?

Answer 1

I like that point. Why couldn't it have all just been there already if God was?

but you know Christians will say it is impossible since the Bible says God created everything.

Answer 2

I'm not going to lie, but I'm a christian and have often asked the same question: "Who made God". Did he just appear? Well as a Christian I have finally just made up my mind to just have Faith He exists. I also have just succumbed to the fact that I will not have all the answers. Nobody does. When I die, I will hopefully have those answers. I am perfectly happy just waiting until then. I would rather be right than wrong. I am not willing to take the chance of dying and not believing. My faith is one that hopes beyond all belief that when I die life will go on and knowing there is something better out there. Do you just want to die and that be the end of it?
You must ask this question to yourself: If he came down to you today and said: "I exist, you must believe in me and choose my way or else"....Would you? I bet not. That is why he gave us free will. Nobody should be forced to do anything. He knew He made that mistake with Satan, that's why Satan left. Satan was forced to worship.

It's the same as if you had just Won 200 million dollars. Would you know who your friends are if everyone knew you were rich? God wants the same thing, come to Him as a friend not as one who is forced to or one who knows what he can get from you.

Answer 3

The universe, by definition, is not infinite. It contains a finite number of stars and a finite amount of matter. We also know, thanks to science and the Hubble telescope, that there was a moment when the universe came into being, about 15 billion years ago, which has been euphemistically called "The Big Bang". So although it may be tempting to imagine that it is, the universe is not infinitely old. It has an age. When we speak of the universe, we are talking about something that
1. is finite
2. exists in time
3. follows certain laws of physics

Now it turns out that if you examine those laws of physics, and apply them to everything in the universe, you find that there are exceptions to those laws. One of those exceptions is the existance of life. Life does not appear to be something that could have formed randomly, by chance, as many materialist scientists claim. The simplest life forms are incredibly intricate, and contain information systems such as DNA that are vastly superior to even our most powerful computers. There is no way even a single celled life form was generated randomly. So this is one piece of evidence (there are many others) that something exists which transcends our universe. And that something we call God. Your question is "Well, who made God?". But your question is nonsensical, because you are trying to apply the laws of our universe (where things exists in time, and are made, and are destroyed) to a being that exists outside of time, in a reality where things are not made or destroyed but simply ARE. We have evidence that such a being and place exist by examining the unbelievable beauty and miraculous nature of life itself. You cannot argue against this evidence for the miraculous by suggesting the God Himself is not miraculous and therefore had to be "made". You are comparing apples and oranges by doing this - the apple is our contingent, physical, time controlled universe; the orange is an eternal, uncreated God who created the universe and its laws which limit our understanding. We cannot imagine such a God, and we certainly cannot pose temporal questions about Him such as how he was made.

Answer 4

The concept of beings with infinite lives is not so strange to us today. We accept various creatures with all sorts of lifetimes. This is what God is. A being with a life span so incredibly long, it is without beginning or end.

What is unacceptable is that everything necessary to create life just accidentally got churned together. If it could be so, scientists would have done it in a lab by now.

Answer 5

Yeah I know It seems improbable to some that all origins of physical life draw back to God. but come on lets face it. even evolutionist draw the origins of the universe back to something. Even though evolutionist believe in the big Bang theory their idea of all exitence draws back to cosmic particles and gases. I think it more logical to believe in a all knowing creator than a poof instant universe objective. By the way GFS A1 I'm a Christian so BRING IT ON!!!!!!

Answer 6

Christianity is all about that, and a true christian would not really get into such a debate. Its faith over scientific explanation. If you had a life changing experience, and you saw the face of God... and were quite certain about it and you were skeptical about God before this incident... then why would you question the existence of God. Its the fact that you believe that makes you a believer and you go on telling others about your amazing experience, and it is upto their humility if they agree with you or not.

Answer 7

Philosophy deals with the ultimate reality. It asks questions and ask another question from the answer. My opinion? Before God was Fred Flintstone... If you believed that answer then start over by asking another question such as "who created fred flintstone?" do this until you find the ultimate reality. My advice? Get a life and start worrying about your bills more than Fred Flintstone.

Answer 8

God says 'I am the Alpha, and the Omega"

Meaning: The beginning of life on earth (He created it) and the end of life (He will destroy it when He comes again.)

Answer 9

I don't know BA. Everytime I try to get sucked into one of your arguments, I loose my concentration because of that damn avatar of yours. Put on a shirt, and my answer won't be so ...so...well, whatever I was going to say.

Answer 10

This particular "debate" is rather unproductive, and a bit reminiscent of two school-children yelling "Oh, Yeah!" at each other.