HOD? PANO? how to tell the difference?

Question

How can you tell if its HOD or PANO? what is a LOW PROTEIN food to feed a dog with it?

The male who has it is 9 months old 34" at the shoulder (great dane) We went to the vet yesterday, he has slightly elevated protein level (still within normal limits just high in the normal), I cannot get him to gain any weight. His white count is slightly lowered (again in the normal, but low normal) and his temp was 104. .(which he was excited when we went and I know that can play a factor) but how much of a factor?

What do you recomend feeding. He has been on adult food since he was 4 months of age with 21% protein in it.. what else can you feed.

the vet recommended eukanuba low residue adult which has higher protein than what he was on.. I believe 23% min, he was on adult food with 21%min .. The vet said he didn't really see anything out of the normal and is more or less treating him with antibiodics and eukanuba (i am not a eukanuba fan and he knows this, but says he feels it would be best at this time.. ) to me he is trying to get him to absorb more. Which his stool is Hard.

Answer 1

Both "Pano" (Panostitis) and "HOD" (Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy) are both associated with bones and bone growth. Pano is most common and many people know it as basically being nothing more than growing pains. Usually, you see the effects of Pano in one leg one week and then a different leg the next week (and it typically affects the front legs). No one knows what causes it and the only way to diagnose it is through the means of x-rays. With Pano, there are no long-term affects.

Pano does most commonly affect males, however, after reading about your boy and rattling my brain like crazy... I am confident to say I really do not think it is Pano. I do however have strong suspicions that your boy is suffering from HOD.

HOD is a different type of growth related bone problem. Most common symptoms are severe leg pains and fever. The reason why he isn't eating is because he is so uncomfortable.

Unfortunately, there is no "treatment", there is just pain management (it is VERY uncomfortable for dogs) . It is important to have him x-rayed to see if he does have HOD because you will need to start him on the pain management (usually vets will recommend buffered aspirin) AND medication with cortisone (sometimes Pred) in it to help avoid leg deformities AND Dyprone to reduce his fever. Is cases of HOD are severe or not diagnosed early, permanent damage of the bone joints can result.

If your boy has HOD he will need to be on crate rest for close to 2-4 weeks. Get him x-rayed tomorrow for a proper diagnosis. PLEASE keep me in touch.

I actually recommend feeding a BARF diet, the protein levels are low: Less than 14% (http://www.barfworld.com). I swear by Dr. Billinghurst's BARF diet.

Answer 2

HI!

sometimes you can't tell the difference and so say it goes hand in had with each other.
This is most commonly seen in large and giant breed dogs. A Protein level of 24% or lower is recomended to correct this problem and results are usually seen with a month.
Canidae all life stages is 24% protein and Solid Gold, Wellness also makes a great food with a low protein level. Also If the dog is older than switching over to a senior dog food will help too, I would not recomend this for a pup though. Check to see if any are avaible to you.

Both Pano and HOD are also refered to as growing pains by some, but a simple ajustment in the dog food with a lower protein level usually corrects the situation with out further medical assistance.

Does your vet recomend a lower than 24% protein level??

NOTE: I know Dick Van Patten makes a dog food with a very low protein level. I just can't remember the correct one. Check out the web site ok.

Answer 3

HOD I have no experience with.. There is a website the Dane Lady or something like that.. She has ALOT of great information about Danes there.. if you haven't already been there?? I can look up the link... One sec..

Here it is http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles.htm

You have probably seen me tell people to give their dogs applecider vinegar in the drinking water?!? It also helps in growing paind ( Pano ) We feed the Canidae and I don't see the growing pains as much at all in the dogs. But every so often there is a puppy who seems to have a bit of pain... I give them applecider vinegar in the water and I also give them tablets morning afternoon and night.. They taste awful but puppies seem to love them.. If they are seeming to really be bothered by pain.. I buy the Jamieson Super Slimdown applecider vinegar tablets.. They have Green Tea in them as well.. They are a higher level of applecider vinegar.. I give them 2 morning 2 in the afternoon and 2 at night. By the next day they are fine... I'll give them that for the next week.. then just go back to the vinegar in the water.. Pain is gone, and they have no more problems with it at all.. So now when puppies are starting to teeth and likely to start having growing pains, I'll give it automatically to avoid them having to go thru that automatically. Doesn't hurt them, and obviously helps tremendously. I asked the vet and an arthritis Doctor, and both told me " Applecider vinegar will never hurt anyone or any animal, they can only benefit from the vinegar " It might be worth a try.

Answer 4

HOD usually has much more severe symptoms and a FEVER. THe dog is generally feeling sick, besides being lame. Pano, the dog is lame but usually acts pretty normal. I feed a Large Breed ADULT food from the time my pups are 10 weeks. Even the Large Breed Puppy has too much protein in it.

If the dog is showing symptoms, especially with a fever see a vet. HOD can be very serious and even fatal. Pano is self limiting and will resolve on it's own, but HOD is nothing to mess with.

Answer 5

Hod In Great Danes

Answer 6

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Answer 7

They are 2 very different growth diseases with 2 very different symptoms. Go to the Great Dane Lady's site and read as much as you can. Over vaccination can also mimic HOD.
You will need to see a vet to get a proper diagnosis. Feed a high quality food with 23% or less protien.
http://www.greatdanelady.com/articles.htm

DO NOT feed anything for a Large breed dog. You have a giant breed dog with different needs. Feed a quality adult food only.