Is there a greater stumbling block than [jesus] for the Jews?

Question

All the prophets foretold that the messiah would redeem the Jews, help them, gather in the exiles and support their observance of the commandments. But he caused Jewry to be put to the sword, to be scattered and to be degraded; he tampered with the Torah and its laws; and he misled most of the world to serve something other than G-d.

How can you even say that jesus is the messiah he never did any of the things that we expect the messiah to do?

Ayatola Beckhami lol you muslms are worst then jesus to the jews, is the wall to hight for you to climb lol

Answer 1

when the messiah comes, he WILL do all those things. Jesus IS NOT the messiah

Answer 2

if you look at all the prophets.....be honest in your heart.....jeremiah, isaiah, ezechiel..etc......Israel/Judah were told long before Jesus ever came that they would be put to the sword more than once.......and that they would go to Babylon in three different trips, followed by being scattered to every nation ....all for their sins....and rebellion ...obviously, the messiah cannot gather in the exiles unless they have been scattered first....the scattering started to occur hundreds of years before Jesus was around...

when Jesus arrived....the romans were already there...putting people to the sword....that was not a condition he created....

what the messiah was supposed to do is a different discussion........it was a multi-facted mission....

I do not think Jesus tampered with the laws...because people continued to follow the laws while he was here, and afterwards....it was the cruelty of the romans who were already in control that worsened.....the jews started to rebel against the romans in 66 AD, and this resistance continued until 70 AD when the roman destroyed the temple.


the jews have been scattered due to invasions of chaldeans, babylonians, assyrians, romans, etc......all jesus did was either get accepted or rejected for what he said......

what i will agree with is that in history....there have been many periods where christians persecuted the jews.....this was absolutely wrong and horrible........and jews have a right to be offended and deeply grieved.....but this was long after Jesus left and these "christians" were not displaying the love that Jesus taught was necessary for them to be his followers.

what i am doing now is going back through scriptures...and looking for every clue....about everything the messiah was to do....not just the postive things that people dwell upon.....he was to come into a time when Israel's problems would be great....there were corrections to be made...

Answer 3

I see the Scripture continues to be fulfilled in you today:

" Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"
He said, "Go and tell this people:
" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."
Then I said, "For how long, O Lord?"
And he answered:
"Until the cities lie ruined
and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
and the fields ruined and ravaged,
until the LORD has sent everyone far away
and the land is utterly forsaken.
And though a tenth remains in the land,
it will again be laid waste.
But as the terebinth and oak
leave stumps when they are cut down,
so the holy seed will be the stump in the land." "
Isaiah 6:8-13

Answer 4

The Jews understand the One that comes will be
A Conquring King, A Man; They missed the part of a suffering Servant Isa. 53;
# 1 Jesus Christ to the Jew a Stumbling Stone
#2 Jesus Christ to the Church is the Foundation Stone;
# 3 To the Nations Jesus Christ is the Smiteing Stone
#1 and # 2 done,# 3 just ahead;Note God hasn"t
finished with His Chosen He has an appointment
with Israel and will deal directly with His Wife, Others have stepped in to help; God is Jealous
Man should not push Israel to give land for Peace
That Stone will become a crushing Stone to all who pick it up;

Answer 5

What God has promised the Jews is coming true now. Seems for a guy who is supposed to be knowledgeable you are getting ahead of yourself. Yes God scattered the Jews but he also promised to bring them back which is happening now. And Christ never tampered with any of the laws, rather He came to fulfill the law, especially Deuteronomy 19 as it pertains to Satan's Legal and just execution. Christ never said that we were supposed to worship Him. He just said that " as you believe in God , also believe in me. As far as putting the Jews to the sword it was Hitler who was doing the bidding of Satan who killed the Jews. Satan has been trying to kill the Jews since Christ said " This generation (of Jews) shall not pass away until all these things (prophesies) have come to pass. So in an attempt to thwart prophesy satan is trying to kill all the Jews before Christ returns. Thereby keeping the 1,000 clock to his death from ticking. Even descendants of Cain can be a child of God if he accepts Christ's roll as savior. Didn't God tell Cain that " If you do well , will you not be accepted? " . Again I tell you , God does not care about the wrapper that a gift comes in it is the gift that is inside that he cares about. Now become as wise as you would like people to think that you are. Peace.

Answer 6

The prophets have also said a few other things you don't seem to get:

" Be stunned and amazed,
blind yourselves and be sightless;
be drunk, but not from wine,
stagger, but not from beer.
The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep:
He has sealed your eyes (the prophets
he has covered your heads (the seers).
For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I can't; it is sealed." Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read."
The Lord says:
"These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men.
Therefore once more I will astound these people
with wonder upon wonder;
the wisdom of the wise will perish,
the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Isaiah 29:9-14

Nevertheless:

"This is what the LORD says:
" 'Cries of fear are heard—
terror, not peace.
Ask and see:
Can a man bear children?
Then why do I see every strong man
with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor,
every face turned deathly pale?
How awful that day will be!
None will be like it.
It will be a time of trouble for Jacob,
but he will be saved out of it.
" 'In that day,' declares the LORD Almighty,
'I will break the yoke off their necks
and will tear off their bonds;
no longer will foreigners enslave them.
Instead, they will serve the LORD their God
and David their king,
whom I will raise up for them."

Jeremiah 30:5-9

Answer 7

I understand Jesus to be a prophet, like Noah, Abraham and Adam to name a few. Christians [were suppose to] use him as an example of the life to lead. His humility and generosity were the epitome of his affect.

I think Eli Wiesel approached the most recent of stumbling blocks, WW2. This in my mind is a fresher subject and more pertinent to the general survival of the Judaism today. (-Is God dead?-)

Answer 8

An interesting point of view!

Answer 9

How can he be a stumbling block? Jews completely ignore him and stick to the Torah given to us by God. He could only be a stumbling block if we listened to him.

Answer 10

Take Heart Israel

So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Matthew 20:16


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Answer 11

My G-d! I think I love you! I have never heard Jesus's influence on his fellow Jews than that. It's sick (almost as if Christ were....da-da-da...the anti-Christ...the Deceiver...the Morning Star...the Devil!)