For Christians and those that aren't?

Question

Isn't this so crazy.
I think this all the time about Christians 'Why are you so delusional, there is no God. If there was why would he let people die of famine and disease...................'

I think the Christians are like 'How can you not believe, it's in the Bible, how much proof do you need'!

We may never agree because we are (in our own minds) right.

Got any comments?

The examples I gave, What a non-believer would say and what a Christian would say are examples from many Q&A I have read. I was just seeing if anyone else can see that we will (probably) never agree.

Answer 1

You make a good point.

There is no hard evidence to prove the existence or non existence of GOD. We will believe what we want and what we think is right.

Answer 2

Hey there,
I am a student/teacher of the manuscripts.
The reason why you see God seemingly just 'standing by' as these things happen is
really quite simple, but I warn you that the Churches do not seem to ever get around to teaching the deeper message in Gods Word - maybe because they themselves are Biblically illiterate, I truly don't know.
Anyway, here is your answer:
The Bible describes three Earth Ages. Not a different Earth, not a new or different terrafirma, only a new AGE.
We are presently in the Second Earth Age.
It was in the First Earth Age where Satan rebelled and caused many of our people (yes, we were all already created souls then) to follow Satan who began a great war. Its called the Katabole, or fully translated means "the overthrow of Satan".
Not only did many follow Satan, but also many stayed neutral - they didn't care as long as it didn't affect them (whats new,huh)
And then there was another group who stayed faithfully on Gods side, and Satan was defeated.
As a result of that war and the way our people responded to it, God was not happy with those who followed Satan, and He could have simply destroyed them, but quite frankly He was not all too happy with those who remained neutral, either. Instead of destroying all those children, God decreed that he would end that Earth age that was, and formulate a plan for the redemption of the people. This was the plan, and we were all there and agreed to it:
God decreed that He would bring in the second of the Earth ages, where each soul would come thru one time in the flesh, to make an ultimate decision of who they would choose to follow: Satan or Christ.
But in order that the plan work, two things had to hold true:
First, each soul must maintain their freewill to make decisions WITHOUT THE INTERFERENCE OF GOD IN THE INDIVIDUAL LIFE. This is your answer;
God promised He would not interfere. This is mainly because when this whole show is over, at an appointed time will come the Great Judgement. If God interferes with any soul in the flesh, that soul could say to God at Judgement: yes, Lord, but if you had not interfered I would have done it differently.
Nope, no chance of that: God will not interfere, period. Thats His promise, and He states He will not repent of it (meaning he will not take back his promise).
Each and every day that passes with God seeing every single thing going on, his vengence builds and builds. People think they are getting away with something; many believe there is no God or else He would have shown himself when horrors occured like 9/11, or the Aids Virus coming on the scene. God is well aware of these things.
God is well aware of every single thing each soul says and does while in the flesh.
All of it is being recorded for Judgement.
Oh, just to complete my explanation, the second thing that had to hold true was that
there was not much use in being in the flesh to choose between good and good, right?
So we needed a comparitor. Since the controversy is between Christ and Satan,
it was fair that Satan provide the comparitor. This is why although Satan was already judged and condemned to perish, he is still around. When this Age is completed and that comparitor is no longer needed, he will be destroyed - turned to ashes from within.
Thats the deal, from the manuscripts.
All the atrocities you hear of, all the horrors to children and abuses, all those who mock and ridicule God, all these things causes
Gods anger to build, and all that anger is being kept in a large-mouthed vial, and he intends to pour it out, without mixture (meaning nothing will delute or thin it) on the top of the heads of all those who do think
they are getting away with it.
That cup of wrath will be so horrible, that even Christ asked the Father if there was any other possible way that it could be handled. This was when Christ was praying to the Father before the crucifiction. People think the cup Christ was asking to possibly
pass was the crucifiction - nothing could be more incorrect; Christ came here for the mission of crucifiction; he did not want to change that one iota. No, the cup he spoke of was this cup of wrath that many people you see and hear of today are gonna get dumped on their heads.
Take it or leave it, thats Gods Word.

Answer 3

Famine and desease are not from God.Carmen wrote a song called: There is a God" that explains Why I believe God is real.
93 million miles from the blistering surafce of the sun is the planet earth. A rotating sphere perfectly suspended in the center of the universe. The ultimate creation from an infinate mind. An unbelievably intricate complex design. A supernatural testimony, an irrefutable sign that there is a God.

The size, position and angle of the earth is a scientific phenomenon to see. A few degrees closer to the sun we'd disintegrate, a few degrees furter we'd freeze. The axis of the earth is titled at a perfect 23 degree angle and it's no mistake that it is. This allows equal global distribution to the rays of the sun making it possible for the food chain to exist.

Or take for example the combination of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere we breathe every day. It just happens to be the exact mix that life needs to prosper, it doesn't happen on any other planet that way.

You see, the Bible says the invisible things of God are seen through His creation, to believe this is not hair. If there's a design, there's a designer, if there's a plan, there's a planner and if there's a miracle, there is a God.

The Scripture says the heavens decalre the glory of God and the skies proclaim the work of His hands. If we allow our minds to drink in all the truth that surrounds the truth that just surrounds us, creation itself with help us understand.

Did you know the moon controls the tides, it's the maid that cleans the oceans. Even the waves don't crash the shores in vain. The tides drag impurities from the depths of the sea, it's nature's constrant recycling chain.

It simply boggles the mind to think that the stars will rotate with such exact precision that it's true. That the atomic clock with an error factor of less than three seconds per millenium is set by the way we move.

Though they silently orbit, the sun, the moon, the stars are like celestial evangelists above. Who circle the earth every 24 hours shouting in every languages that there is a God. Atheism is the wedge under the foundation of our faith, trying to topple our relationship with Christ. When the fool said in his heart, there is no God, he rejects the truth God painted on the canvas of the night. Atheism has never created an artistic masterpiece, never healed a fatal disease or calmed a fear. Atheism has never still given answers to our existence, peace to a troubled mind or even dried a tear.

For it's God who created heaven and earth and flung the stars in space and breathed in the handful of dirt and it became a man. It's God who sits on the circle of the earth and measures the mountains in a scale, and holds the seven seas in the palm of His hand. It's God who sent His only begotten Son to the cross of Calvary to save our souls from Hell and the grave. It's God who creates, God who delivers, God who heals and who is worthy of a thunderous ovation of praise.

Answer 4

no... i can understand completely why you don't believe in God, trust me. i'm new to christianity. i didn't believe in God for the longest time (was agnostic until about a year ago), probably for some of the same reasons as you. i don't judge people for that. it's probably easier for you to explain why you don't believe than it is for me to explain why i do. then again that could be sleep deprivation. LOL.

you're right though. we'll probably never agree. that being said, i think we should all just agree to disagree, and start trying to get along a little better, and tactfully exchange ideas, instead of continuingly hurling insults at the people who don't see things our way.

peace.

Answer 5

Everyone's delusional on some level, not just Christians, or those of any other faith group. We all tend to hang onto falsehoods just because they're what we're accustomed to and even when presented with proof that refutes a long held belief, it's hard to let go of the things we cling to.

Maybe if there is any truth at all, you can't find it 'out there,' but inside yourself, if that makes sense.

Answer 6

I can only go by the change that has happened to me.... to my life .... to my heart... once I accepted Jesus. It wasnt 'cuz the bible said so'... it was because He is real and life is better with God in the center.

I never think 'oh, atheists are delusional' .... some people just havent had that experience where God changed them from a non believer to one who knows Him

Answer 7

It is up to mankind to fix the world's problems. People buy houses for millions of dollars and there are starving babies. Makes no sense to me. God is here to help us make it through this world. Free Will - have you heard of that? God is love, so wherever you find love, you will find God.

It's very aggravating to have all Christians categorized as one. As with any group, we are all NOT the same. I do no judge anyone for who they do, what they do, what they don't do, what they've done or what they are going to do....that is God's job.

I believe in Jesus because I have felt him in spirit, not because I have read about him in the Bible.

Answer 8

It is called freedom of two choices; you either serve God the Father of Jesus Christ; that died on the cross for your and my sins or you serve the devil that desires to kill, steal and destroy. I prefer to chose serving God and doing it to best of my knowledge, through the Holy Spirit. I can not force anyone to believe the way I do, God does this. All I can do is love others, pray for them and be a good Christian role model before others. I can do nothing or be nothing without Him. Try God, and if not then; the devil will take you back; is my motto.

By the way; it is not God doing all the negative things in this world we live in; He only allows the devil to do so much and we are not in heaven yet. The devil is here upon earth going to and fro seeking those he can devour. Sometimes God will allow negative occurrences to happen in our lives to build our faith or other reasons. It is sin in our lives that causes God to allow the enemy to bother us. We will not be sin free; until we are with God Himself. We are still human beings and are not perfect yet.

Answer 9

It is quite interesting that those who refute the existence of God on the grounds of suffering have relatively little suffering in their lives. Those who suffer greatly often feel the presence of God the most (be they Christian, Jew or Muslim). Those who refute the existence of God on a scientific level are often the ones who did not do well in their science courses. My wife and many other biologists cannot fathom such an ordered way of life (DNA and the mathematically repeating sequences in nature) without a Creator. Life ordering itself as quickly as it did in even the most liberal estimates of the age of the Earth would be like banging on your keyboard and looking at the screen to find you just wrote War and Peace; it is scientifically impossible.

Back to the issue of suffering, when I took my infant children to receive their immunization shots, they could not imagine that going to a strange place, being held immobile by Daddy (who is supposed to love and care for them), and being jabbed with sharp things that hurt for hours afterwards and sometimes cause mild fever could possibly be for their own good. The parent knows it is for the child's good, but the child cannot see past the immediate suffering and confusion. In the same way, "My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are My ways your ways," says the Lord, "for as heaven is higher than earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts." (Isaiah Ch 55, v 8-9) We cannot know how any of this suffering is for our own good, but it is. The hardest times in my life, when I suffered the most, have turned out to have led to the greatest happiness in my life. In the same way, what seemed initially as the worst thing that could have happened in history, the Messiah being brutalized and murdered, has become the greatest thing to have ever happened in history, the Resurrection and the Salvation from Sin. The relatively temporary and relatively mild suffering of this world are worth it if they help us to know God and draw us nearer to the One.

Even the Nihilist who declared "God is dead" in his book "the Anti-Christ", Friedrich Nietzsche, verified this principle: "That which does not kill me can only make me stronger."

Answer 10

yes, I don't agree with the statement "why would God "let"
let me take a guess, you claim that you don't believe in God because if He were real he would not "let" people suffer, have you ever wondered about something else behind all that suffering? I think God is just, loving, merciful....... I think there are things about this world that too complex for us to understand, therefore the pinnacle of our hope is in our faith, we must believe that somehow, one day, this will all make sense

Answer 11

1 John 5:19