Jesus doesn't want to be your saviour, Paul wants him to be ?

Question

Give me some proof from Jesus himself and not some random guy that the christians picked up because he told them that they basically had to do nothing in return for heaven Other than ''take the christ as their saviour'', which would convince someone rational that Jesus doesn't want you to follow the laws of Moses (After he had specifically said that he didn't want to abolish them)?

Answer 1

As you probably suspect, there is no proof.

This online book goes deep into this question of Paul and his role in the evangelical thing. It's a fascinating read.

Answer 2

I think that whole notion is pretty much a popular misunderstanding of Paul. Going through scriptures is tedious and proves nothing, if ones mind is made up. An open mind is necessary when looking at data and before a conclusion is reached. The proof of the objectivity of the mind is seen in observing how our own minds work. That requires following one scripture absolutely. The easiest on to follow is judge not. Using descriptive words only will lead us, in a few weeks, to a noticeable and then ever growing insight. To increase the affect, add loving our enemies so there is no hate in us, debilitating at best, and also forgiveness and thankfulness, a very basic and never followed guidance. Then the spirit of truth will lead you into all truth, even the deep things of God. To say anymore will be tainted by my opinion, but here it is. The spirit guides us away from breaking the commandments, by helping us apply them properly. Without being guided by God and the spirit we are just following our own opinions of the word, which was meant to be a tutor. The letter kills without the spirit. Having read the bible, it is all in our memories and, although not all conscious, our spirit has it all to work with so we are not under the law as we understand it, but under God and the laws He has established for the universe. In short God and the law is bigger than ourselves, and should I say, bigger than our conscious imaginations? I hope that makes sense to you. Adam and Eve relied on their own understanding. "Lean not unto thy own understanding." It is just humility as our understanding doesn't reach the exalted level of a puny understanding, All the division if proof of that. Another helpful scripture in the whole process is "Think no more of yourself than you have to, but think so as to have a sound mind." I'm sorry I can't make it plainer here.

Answer 3

Ever read about Jesus and Nicodemus? (John 3:1-16) Or the Woman at the Well? (John Chapter 4) l Plus I should point out that Jesus Himself said "No one cometh to the Father but by me".

Answer 4

Jesus said, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." John 3:16-18

And " I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day." John 12:47,48

And " "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;" John 11:25

Others spoke of Jesus saying, "Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world." John 4:42


Enough said?

Answer 5

Yes, Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law but the other half of that sentence is that he came to fulfill it. Who can fulfill the law of Moses but someone perfect. What does it mean to fulfill the law? It means to satisfy it. He is the perfect sacrifice made for us in order to fulfill the judgment due us through the law.

Answer 6

"No body comes to the Father if isn't though me." "My blood is scattering for the forgiveness of many." This are just 2 quotations of things said by Jesus that represent Him as the Savior.

Answer 7

Prophet Muhammad said:

The prophets are brothers - their mothers are different but their creed is one. I am the closest one among the people to Jesus son of Mary, because there was no prophet between He and I. He will be coming down, so when you see him, know him. He is a man between red and white (in color). He wears two reddi.


Edit: The Quran says:

When the angels said, 'O Mary, God gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus (Isa)..........

Answer 8

Isaiah 43:11. I, even I, am Jehovah; and beside me there is no savior.
1 Timothy 2:3. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
Isaiah 43:3. For I am Jehovah thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Savior: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isaiah 45:15. Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Savior.
1 Timothy 4:10. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.
Titus 1:3. But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Savior;

O Bible Believers, why not you reveal your god that Jesus has paid the price of your crimes and sins?
Most of culprits, sinners, alcoholic, adulterous and transgressor Christians are being afflicted with painful torments like STD (Sexually transmitted diseases) including AIDS, Hepatitis. Why not you tell your god that Jesus has paid the price and do not afflict us due out sins, crimes and transgressions??? Or your sins, crimes and transgressions exceeded than price paid by Jesus?????

Does Bible refuse to accept the Jesus as ‘Savior’ and rejects the concept of ransom of Christians’ sins and crimes?
Ezekiel 18:20. The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
James 2:24. Ye see then how that by works a man is just.
Matthew 19:16-17. "And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" "And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."
James 2:26. "Faith without works is Dead"
Proverbs 21:18. “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright”

Jesus never said I am your Saviour. Why people declared him savior?
Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
2 Peter 1:1. Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:
Luke 2:11. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Who is actual saviour?
Savior: Repeatedly the Scriptures refer to God as Savior. At Isaiah 43:11 God even says: “Besides me there is no savior.” Since Jesus is also referred to as Savior, are God and Jesus the same? Not at all. Titus 1:3, 4 speaks of “God our Savior,” and then of both “God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.” So, both persons are saviors. Jude 25 shows the relationship, saying: “God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Italics added.) (See also Acts 13:23.) At Judges 3:9, the same Hebrew word (moh•shi′a‛, rendered “savior” or “deliverer”) that is used at Isaiah 43:11 is applied to Othniel, a judge in Israel, but that certainly did not make Othniel Jehovah, did it? A reading of Isaiah 43:1-12 shows that verse 11 means that Jehovah alone was the One who provided salvation, or deliverance, for Israel; that salvation did not come from any of the gods of the surrounding nations.

Answer 9

have you been drinking your rant is so illogical