I've come across a few answers today in the good ol' R&S claiming they are atheists because of "Logic." and that God can't logically exist. Can some atheists elaborate on the actual logic of their beliefs? Like logical arguments in sentence form and all that?
For example, here's a logical argument -for- God's existence:
1. Everything that had a beginning had a cause
2. The universe had a beginning
3. Therefore, the universe had a cause
(God is the "cause" in the argument)
So, I'm waitin' for answers!
2007-08-10 10:20:16 · 11 answers · asked by ? 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
uhohspaghettiohoh: then what caused the big bang?
2007-08-10 13:15:23 · update #1
wakefield: why does everything that has a beginning not need a cause? things in this universe aren't self-existent.
2007-08-10 13:17:49 · update #2
herodotus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality
The notion that things have causes is the foundation of science. Science is the process of looking for what caused something to happen. Why does the apple fall to the ground? and so forth.
2007-08-10 13:20:48 · update #3
to all: as the law of causality (as it is called) applies to natural things (that is, within this universe), God would not need a cause, because he is -super-natural (beyond the natural realm).
2007-08-10 13:22:36 · update #4
I still don't have any arguments to specifically why God's existence is illogical, my original question.
2007-08-10 13:24:00 · update #5
You were fairly logical in lines 1 to 3. Logic says the following, if the first 2 lines are true, then the 3rd one is true. So IF everything that had a beginning had a cause is true, and ALSO if the universe had a beginning is true, it is LOGICALLY true that the 3rd statement is true.
Unfortunately, there is NO logic in the leap to your 4th line (which you seem to have forgotten to number), which says what the cause was. There is NO use of logic in jumping from the logically proven statement that the universe had a cause, to YOUR contention that God is that cause. Maybe a little course on logic will help you understand the concept a little better!
2007-08-10 11:01:52 · answer #1 · answered by Tikhacoffee/MisterMoo 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God is the cause?
That is a tremendous jump in any kind of logic since there is not any actual, verifiable, confirmed evidence that equates anything with the existance of any kind of a god what so ever.
You failure miserably in your logical argument for a god's existance.
-OR-
Using your own failed logic try this
1) Everything that had a beginning had a cause
2) God had a beginning
3) Therefore, the God had a cause
(The Big Bang is the cause)
This actually makes much more sense that your argument since there is evidence that the big bang did happen.
2007-08-10 10:47:48 · answer #2 · answered by ndmagicman 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Everything has a beginning
God has no beginning
God is illogical
Q.E.D.
The same argument can be made using "cause" rather than "beginning". You can also argue the illogic of something that is not part of the natural world affecting the natural world. Or the illogic of omnipotence, omniscience, or omnipresence.
And that's just the major definitional illogic of god. There is a whole other set of arguments which get into the illogic of the aspects of god. These would include all the good versus evil and free will versus predestination arguments. Basically all the arguments which end in christians saying it is due to god's mysterious ways which is another way of saying they are illogical.
2007-08-10 10:27:13 · answer #3 · answered by Dave P 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
This is a logical fallacy as you are placing god as the cause. Which is called the "god of the gaps" logical fallacy - the first cause could have been an infinate amount of things - you are making an arbitrary assumption that it's an intelligent being. This statement also suffers from circular logic because if everything had a cause then god also would require a cause -which you don't adress.
2007-08-10 10:38:05 · answer #4 · answered by Synaptix 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
You, don't know that this cause was God. You don't even know for sure the universe had a beginning. Why does the universe even need a cause? You claim that God doesn't need a cause so why is the universe different?
2007-08-10 10:49:36 · answer #5 · answered by Don't Fear the Reaper 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Wait. I see absolutely no logic between steps 2 and 3, unless you define "God" to be the cause.
Nothing alludes to any sort of hyper-intelligent being.
The cause could have just as easily been the collision of two upper dimensional membranes, or the result of a past big crunch, or something. If science shows one to be correct, would that be God?
2007-08-10 10:33:32 · answer #6 · answered by Moodrets 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Everything that has a beginning does not need to have a cause. And if it did, then what would be god's beginning?
2007-08-10 10:28:10 · answer #7 · answered by ? 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
How did you conclude that God was the cause?
2007-08-10 10:25:57 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
or the cause could.. be the big bang?
2007-08-10 10:26:37 · answer #9 · answered by uhohspaghettiohohs 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Simple " I AM WHO AM"
2007-08-10 11:11:04 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋