The Snake is Satan?

Question

How does anybody know that the snake was satan? The word Satan isn't even used once in Genisis, who else could the snake have been?
In revelation it describes the fall of 'satan' but satan just means advesary. The 'satan' in Job doesn't seem evil, and the 'satan' in revelation may be an entirely diffrent person. In the Old testament only lucifer is a fallen angel.
Guys! give me actual proof...
there isn't any proof at all that lucifer is satan, nor that lucifer was the snake.

Answer 1

Satan is anything that has deceit.

Answer 2

Genesis = Chapter 3:1-24
Job = Chapter 1:6-22 and 2:1-10
John = Chapter 8:44
Revelation =Chapter 12:9

Revelation 12:9 said the original serpent is Satan. But he wasn't a real serpent. He was deceiving Eve by means of God's creation. Like a ventriloquist.

Job's account shows that Satan is a rebellious angel.
All God's creation have free will. That includes angels. God made all things good.(Genesis 1:31) Just as a child can be fairly good, as he or she grows up he may make decisions to do bad things, becoming a thief, killer, etc.( James 1:13-15)

The term Lucifer comes from the Hebrew word heh-lel' meaning shining one. This is not a name, or title, for Satan. Rather, it's a term describing the brilliant position taken by Babylon's dynasty of kings in the line of Nebuchadnezzar.(Isaiah 14:4-16)

Answer 3

(a) I've never seen the name Lucifer in the bible and I've been a bible student for 38 years.

(b) Nope. You are right. The word Satan cannot be found in the Book of Genesis. But Revelation 20:2 identifies Satan as that serpent... "And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.”—Rev. 20:2.

(c) If you look at the book of Job, he most certainly is evil. He caused the death of all of Job's children in one fell swoop; and the loss of all of his livestock. When that didn't do the trick, he brought a horrible disease upon Job himself. Isn't he shown taunting God and telling him that the only reason Job served him was because of the hedge God of protection God had built around him.

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Kappa - With respect, no. That was not God himself testing Adam & Even. James 1:13 tells us that God does not test us with evil things.

Answer 4

hey guess what...your right! Genisis never mentions any devil, satan, lucifer, etc....in fact, how do we even know that the snake wasnt God himself testing Adam and Eve? I mean its in the bible numerous times of God testing his followers, why would this be any different?

Oh, and another thing. How exactly did lucifer fall to begin with? According to scripture, only humans have free will, angels, demons, etc dont, they just follow the path they were made for, which would mean God created lucifer to fall from him...so it was God's plan all along.

Umm excuse me, Q&A Queen...it was god himself that told satan to do those things to Job to prove job's loyalty to god. god never stopped him from doing it, he told him to go ahead.

Queen...it was just a question, but thanks for answering with respect...when it really comes down to it, how did the snake get in the garden in the first place?

...also, any thoughts on my other question?

Answer 5

Hi^^
The bible is full of medifore and assigned to serpents in literature. I acknowledge that they do not necessarily refer to Satan; our observations on them must be tentative. Still they seem to refer to Satan and are not inconsistent with what we either know or can conjecture about him. I also believe many of the literal elements have rich symbolic meanings. I believe the days back then were very literal. The snake you are referring to is actually in this text called the serpent. Which is very important because many reference to the serpent is made when talking about the lowest of Gods servants or the one who is the temptress. The bible has very many references

But it is clear in the book of revelation that when he..Satan is referred to as the serpent it is meaning him.
"But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." Revelation 12:8-9
Also in the book of Genesis the first reference to the serpent is a temptress and it is portrayed as such in the new testament as well. In all western readings or translations of the bible in fact use the word serpent.In the book of Genesis.

In the beginning and in almost all times that the evil or sin is talked about you will see this reference as such.In the rest of scripture it becomes clear, the Serpent is not just a snake,
The Serpent is Satan.
Rev 20:2, 12:9
Luke 10:18
John 8:44

The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists, and becomes a huge obstacle for the claims of Mormonism. They mostly use the King James version and this transcipt changes the meaning all togeather. Lucifer is a Latin name. So we ask.. how did it get into the bible then..In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer." The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. heleyl, ben shachar..literally translated "shining one, son of dawn."
Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

With all the diffrent bibles out today. It is important to understand the backing of the written word. As well as how close it was to the Hebrew texts. Translations are a messy thing and can be very confusing.

In Short very short...
Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome.Though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible.

Hope this helps shed some light on it for you.
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Regarding the Koran...In Summary, while the Bible ( and the corrupted hadiths) blame it on Eve, the Quran holds both Adam and Eve responsible for the sin of eating from the forbidden tree. Islam (Submission) holds everyone responsible for his/her sins. No blaming of parents, spouse, teachers, preachers, brothers, sisters,friends, or any one is accepted. The most disturbing part of the Koran to me is that the Old Testament stories are altered to remove any indication of the immoral weaknesses of those who ruled over the people of Israel. For example, the Koran speaks of King David without ever speaking about his committing adultery and murder in the service of his sexual lust for Bathsheba. The Koran repeatedly denounces the people of Israel for their sinfulness, while praising their leaders as morally perfect. The Koran is taken from the original Hebrew text. Not the other way around.

Answer 6

The serpent in the garden was NOT a snake BEFORE the curse nor was he satan, But the serpent was an upright creature until his curse in Gen.3:14, He was not satan, but was inticed by satan. Then when God cursed that upright creature he then & then only in Gen.3:14 took away his arms & legs & put him into the reptile family.

Answer 7

The Koran also tells the story of Adam and Eve, and in that version the snake is Satan. Whether later Christians borrowed the idea from Muslims or Muslims wrote down the story as Christians were telling it by the time the Koran was written, I don't know.

Answer 8

Satan wasn't part of the mythology at the time. The character in Genesis was a snake and the writer says so. It's the "most cunning of the beasts", and God punishes it by making it slither around on its belly. If it was supposed to be Satan in disguise, God apparently didn't know it. I think it's an example of retrofitting a myth.

P.S. You can't get "Lucifer" from "Hel-el" as the other poster is saying. Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star"

Answer 9

The original scriptures said Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and caused the down fall of man. Later the snake and Eve's little adventure with the snake was added to subjugate women to being at fault.

Answer 10

You were doing fine until you mentioned lucifier. there is no lucifer in the OT, it is a mistranslation from hebrew into greek and the original simply means 'morning star', an appellation given to the subject of the prophecy.

As for whether the snake (or precisely serpent) in Genesis is satan, while it isn't explicitly mentioned in the text, according to various midrashim (allegorical explanations, many originating at the Revelation at Sinai) is that the satan 'rode on the back' of the serpent. In other words, the serpent was jealous that Eve was given to Adam and wanted her for himself. The satan provided the impetus for the serpent to attempt what it already wanted to do.

This is derived from the order of the verses. Remember, in the original text, there are no chapter and verse designations, in fact, no punctuation at all except for white space. The verse immediately preceding the introduction of the serpent and its desires is, referring to Adam and Eve...."and they were naked." These words are extraneous and out of place and add nothing to the story, except to provide the motivation for what comes next...ie the serpent lusted after Eve.

Answer 11

The time line doesn't quite work does it? The snake is just snake I guess since Lucifer wasn't booted out of heaven until after the flood.