Religious Men: Would you still be in your religion if women had the upper hands?

Question

Yes, I am specifically speaking to Islamists and fundamental Christians. I'm just curious, if women were the ones who were the "heads of the household" and the ones who forced you to wear drapes while they wore climate appropriate wear, how'd you feel? Suppose women restricted your participation in worship activities and in the church/mosque, ie...say, you have to worship in the rear of the facility.

Suppose your mere presence nullified a woman's prayer. The water you wash your twig and berries with is considered so unclean that women can't even use the same vessel or sink as you.

Women reserve the right to beat you when you start messing up, and if she needs help, she just calls her mother, sisters, aunts, friends...etc and they stomp you into a NDE just because your wife suspected you looked at another woman.

Hmmmm, I could go on, but you get the pic. Would you still be in your religion if women ruled it?

Answer 1

that is a Islamic thing....

there is NO Christian that would act that way towards his wife unless he wants a fry pan up side his head...and if he does things like that, call the cops, it is wrong.....

I do not understand the Islam treatment of women....you do not treat your wife, mother, daughter in such a disrespectful and hate filled manner...

there is no family love evident in anything we have seen of that culture....

there are prisoners in max security prisons that have more freedom and respect than those poor women ever get...

I can not understand why some of those women don't drown their son's to prevent the continuation of such hate???

it is a culture based on the Stockholm syndrome in a sense...

and they still claim this behavior is part of "what their god tells them is right".....

common sense alone without any religious support screams that this is wrong.....

Answer 2

Great question! I don't think you'll get any honest answers from guys who like to lord their "God-given" superiority over women, but I hope it at least makes people think.

It's a shame that fundamentalist Christianity, in particular, has wandered so far away from its more liberal roots on gender issues. After all, it was Christianity that first took the scandalously progressive step of asking a bride if she actually consented to marry the man standing next to her.

Answer 3

if i was in a religion like that, i don't think i would be able to leave, one i would physical be stopped and two i would more then likely be so brained washed that i wouldn't even think of getting out.
i am from a fundamental movement, and i would like to see some try to do any of these things to my sister or cousins. but unfortunately people are mistreated every where in the world. and i hope that you have only seen this and it angers you and that you yourself haven't been hurt. If you have been hurt I'm truly sorry. but to your question all i can say is i hope so,

Answer 4

How strange...you start by saying you are speaking to Islamists and Fundamental Christians...but then your describe Judaic principles from centuries ago, or current Islamic practices.

Where is the Christian Scriptural authority for what you cite?
No...it seems to me you may have lumped in all patricarchal religions into one group, and let the extreme acts of some taint all.

Sorry you feel that way, but the bias you feel is evident in your citations.

Answer 5

Yes.
In Genesis 3:16
So, some have argued that part of Eve's punishment is that
she will have to submit to Adam.
This is actually not introduced with a 'curse' formula--only the ground and the serpent are stated as being 'cursed' (3.14,17).
God's actions are limited to the first half of the verse--the discomfort in childbearing (e.g. physical, mental, emotional, or some combo of these)

***The 2nd half of the verse looks more like a prediction or observation as to how the future will unfold.***

The word for "your desire" and "rule" , and the exact set of prepositions and word order occur in Gen 4.7b: But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.". Cain will face a struggle for self-mastery with sin. The obvious import of the 4.7 passage is that sin desires to 'dominate' Cain, but that Cain must 'fight back'.

So, if these forms/structures are indeed identical, and if 4.7 is generally accepted as a "must try to rule" and "desire (to rule)", THEN Gen 3.16b becomes something like this:

You will desire to rule over your husband;
And (at the same time) he will struggle diligently to rule over you
-- a perpetual power struggle...
There is no indication that there is a 'winner' in this struggle, but history has shown us that all have been losers.

Also, anthropological research indicates that in addition to biological sexual distinctions, the nature of the environment in which a society develops influences male and female roles. A hostile environment readily leads to male domination, whereas relative equality between the sexes is most frequently found when the environment is beneficent. Indeed, in the biblical narrative, human sin results in both a hostile environment (a cursed ground) and male dominance.
What this would mean is that the struggle of Gen 3:16 would result (early in history) in more male dominance--due to the harsher environment. [However, other studies indicate that in 'pioneering' environments, such as post-exilic Palestine, women's status IMPROVES.

What this would make Gen 3.16 say is that, as a result of the Fall, men-women relationships are problematic--each is tempted to dominate/manipulate the other, and, like a cursed ground, relationships will require more 'work' to see the original desired fruitfulness. In any event, the text is CERTAINLY not clear enough to build a case for "prescriptive, pervasive, and punitive subjection" as part of the Fall(!)...

Source(s):

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/wgenc...

Answer 6

An previous neighbor of mine (Muslim) married a Jewish lady. the way that they had arranged it became to have her convert until eventually now the wedding ceremony ceremony. Now they the two stay as Muslims.

Answer 7

Yahoo booted my asked part of what I'm about to write.The main man mu hammed married an 8yo and consummated it when she was 10...So your asking people who look up to a child molester.It all kinda makes me sick

Answer 8

If it was as you described, no, I wouldn't be in this type of religion. Fortunately, Christianity, or fundamentalist as you call us, doesn't fit any of your description. So your question is irrelevant to Christianity.

Answer 9

I love it when women take the matter into their own hands ;)

Answer 10

Nice try, but they are hard-headed and hard-hearted when it comes to looking at their faiths objectively. Look at CJ's answer. It's okay to treat women as inferiors if God says it's okay to do so.