Creationists: Do you think scientists are universally stupid, or universally corrupt?

Question

For YE Creationists only please ...

At some point, YE Creationism leads to the conclusion that all scientists who accept evolution (which is pretty much all of them) are either:

A - Universally stupid; (so stupid they have overlooked evidence or arguments so obvious that anyone with high-school level biology on an Internet forum can stump them with "why are there still monkeys?" questions);
or
B - Universally corrupt. (so corrupt they are willing to betray their profession, and participate in an unprecedented conspiracy involving tens of thousands of scientists for generations ... over 150 years).

And note that we're not just talking about biologists, paleontologists, geneticists, and others involved in evolution ... but *all* sciences ... geologists, physicists, chemists, astronomers, astrophysicists, etc. etc. who accept (e.g.) an old age for the earth and universe.

In either case ... WHY? Why do you have such a *dismal* opinion of science and scientists?

Just saying "both" doesn't say much. Please note the last part of my question:

*WHY*?

On what basis do such a LOW opinion of science and scientists? What evidence? What past experience with science or scientists?

anne p ... thoughtful points. Kudos. But:
(1) To say that science is driven by people who "don't believe in God", misses the fact that about 40% of scientists do.
(2) Science *is* open to other theories ... but none have been proposed. [ID is not a theory ... it is a set of questions (some of them good questions) challenging Darwinian evolution (but not evolution itself) ... but a set of questions is not a theory.]

ghispilon cites scripture about "truth in unrighteousness" in the same breath with the baldfaced LIE that Darwin "admitted" his theory was wrong, and regretted it. How's that for hypocrisy wrapped in irony? How righteous is that?

Answer 1

Bit of both. You have to remember they are forced to be politically correct too whether they like it or not. Look at global warming. Plenty of scientists want to debate global warming and they're being shunned by the scientific community.

Look at all my thumbs downs. They spiked after I added the global warming part. Prime example of the pressure to be politically correct.

Look at this I have 6 thumbs down!!! Thing is I know I'm right. Anyone who disagrees with me needs to watch Glenn Beck on CNN.

Evolution doesn't go against the Bible according to the Catholic Church. In Peter 2 it says that one day to God could be thousands of days to men.

Answer 2

I didn't do this but it is similar to your situation but a lot worse. I worked for a big company that had announced it was having a major lay-off and everyone was nervously waiting to hear if they were getting canned or not. At the same time, a new email program was being rolled out and the Department head's secretary was holding a training sessions. Her computer screen was being projected onto a big screen in an auditorium with about 100 people in it when she opened up her email application. As she gabbed on and on, she was totally unaware that she had just been copied on a list of layoff notices and projected up onto the screen was in inbox listing: TERMINATION NOTICE FOR XXXXXX YYYYYYY TERMINATION NOTICE FOR XYXYXYXY XYXYX TERMINATION NOTICE FOR YEYEY XHXHXH .... as people gasped and screamed in horror. Anyway, I've never done anything that bad. At least not that I got caught doing.

Answer 3

I think the answer is simpler than that. I think that scientists are looking for a scientific origin to the universe. One that is not based on faith or belief in a creative power that cannot be quatified and tested. Perfectly reasonable if you don't believe in God. Humanists have been around longer than Darwin but they were always short on good answers when it came time to explain the origins of the universe. Darwin made some good observations and built on some ideas that pre-dated his work. He gave humanists and many scientists the theory that they had been waiting for.

Most current data is not evaluated independent of evolution. In other words, no other theories are being considered because all other theories point to some sort of supernatural intervention. So, new data is evaluated based on HOW it fits with evolution based theories, not whether or not it supports evolution. If you throw out the assumption of an evolution based explaination and open up the field to other theories, you can explain the existing data in new ways.

Answer 4

Evil nasty evolutionist atheist here:
I think they have such a low opinion of scientists because it's easier to dismiss a huge scientific body comprising of millions of people that independently came to the conclusion that you are wrong as stupid/corrupt/dishonest than it is to admit that something that they view as integral to their sense of identity is completely wrong.

Answer 5

Just curious, what do scientists believe is the origin of the universe that believe in God?

I really don't think that evolution and creation are mutually exclusive, and apparently they don't either.

I have my own theories about the origin of the universe as a mix of both theories, but would like to know what the scientists who believe in God believe.

Answer 6

I think they just accept what is told to them without any critical thinking. Then they(creationists) just ignore or refuse to acknowledge anything to the contrary from that point on.



Dario: Secretsauce is a biologist, not a creationist, relax.

Answer 7

They are universally RIGHT! Please quit fooling yourself by following the writings of a book written by men to control men. Why do you think religion is deteriorating in today’s world? Because ignorance is being slowly abolish by knowledge but people like yourself slow the process considerably. I'm not saying that there isn't a God, I'm just saying that religion is a man made ritual to deceive and control society. And you’re my evidence!

Answer 8

Universally stupid are the folks who continue believing in god and creationism when there is overwhelming evidence that evolution exists and god doesn't.

Universally corrupt are the religious leaders who try to hold on to their high paying jobs by feeding this creationism and sky fairy nonsense to their brainwashed zombies.

Answer 9

I can offer no opinion as to why the creationists are as demented as they are. It will suffice to note that evolution is now a proven fact, and it necessarily follows that every criticism of it is erroneous.

Answer 10

To all who answered: "both"

I am a biologist and I am not corrupt nor stupid!!!

Stop insulting me or get some data to back up your accusations

I'm Christian too, and right now its the only thing preventing me from giving a really nasty answer to all of you



Paz de Cristo

Answer 11

I don't think they're stupid. I think they are very intelligent and know lots of facts. They have just come to different conclusions about those facts. Most of them are not corrupt but I think a good number of them enjoy their tax-payer funded jobs looking down microscopes, etc. There are hundreds of scientists with degrees from the same universities who disagree with evolution.