Chrisitans, a SUPER TOUGH question for you!?

Question

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
That is as clear as it gets!
I don't care if you say Jesus died for us and we no longer apply to those rules or not, Jesus cleary SAID NOT to disobey them. Or do you Chrisitians admit that Jesus is contradiciting himself?
Jesus said that He wanted everyone to uphold slavery, murder, rape, and all evil things!
He said it, READ the verses!
You got two choices:
1) Admit the verses.
2) Deny them and say you are under grace bla bla bla...but also then accept the fact that Jesus is going back on His words and is CONTRADICTING Himself!

It might be true that Jesus said you no longer have to uphold the rules and you are under grace now...but He also said you can not throw them away...which means He is contradicting and going back on His words.
Please choose only from the two choices I gave you..don't give me some verse or long opinion...
I know your story of grace and crap...
but choose from the two.

Answer 1

It seems the Christians who are so ready to quote Bible scriptures at any turn are unable to answer your question so they turn to insults. And yes Rokuta I think the Bible (and many Christians) are dense.
Dense- Slow to apprehend; thickheaded.

Answer 2

Let's look at just a *little* more context:

Mat 5:1-12 the beatitudes
Mat 5: 13-16 "salt of the earth"

Mat 5:17-20 (NASB, considered the most literal)
17 `Do not imagine that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete them.
18 In truth I tell you, till heaven and earth disappear, not one dot, not one little stroke, is to disappear from the Law until all its purpose is achieved.
19 Therefore, anyone who infringes even one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be considered the least in the kingdom of Heaven; but the person who keeps them and teaches them will be considered great in the kingdom of Heaven.
20 `For I tell you, if your uprightness does not surpass that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never get into the kingdom of Heaven.

So, now, let's review.

1) Jesus was speaking to the Jews. He made this clear in several passages, and pointed out that he was sent to the Jews, not the Gentiles, and that it was the work of *others* to go to the Gentiles

2) The Jews must adhere to the Law, even if they are Christian Jews. The Law is still valid. The 1st covenant is still honored by God.

3) The Gentiles *only* and *specifically* were excused from following all but four points of the Mosaic Law. This in several passages, but especially in Acts.

4) Jesus did not contradict himself.

5) Jesus did *not* say "that He wanted everyone to uphold slavery, murder, rape, and all evil things!" That is plainly a lie, wholly against what we know of Jesus' preaching, and not in any scripture.

6) I admit the verses, and believe the whole bible, not just the parts that *you* have decided apply to everyone but the bible says do not!

Jim, http://www.jimpettis.com/wheel/

Answer 3

Dear Max:

You are haggling by the letter of the law which is Old Testament style. This contradicts the New Testament where the spirit of truth fulfills the laws, so that conflicts can be corrected without resorting to the arguments you make that do not solve any real problem.

The Bible warns that people will do this, will hang each other by the letter of the law, use it to accuse or excuse.

So all your words and actions are consistent with the scriptural warnings, teachings and prophesies.

Congratulations on proving the veracity of these Scriptures with your very words and actions themselves.

Note: The letters of the law in the Old Testament are still valid in that they teach us the difference and why laws become corrupted when we haggle this way, for the purpose of discrediting instead of reconciliation. So all those have a meaning and can be used to establish truth and understanding. I hope that you receive the wisdom that you seek in bringing up these very profound questions. Thank you.

Answer 4

That is where the whole concept of grace comes from. The law in Jesus time was a fact, it was the Old Testament there was no New Testament yet no grace, just Jesus there and the Jews with the law. He was saying in the verses before I came not to destroy the law. The law of God is god and perfect friend, but what did he say he said I came to fulfill that law. Jesus lived the life for us friend that is where the principle of grace comes from , it means that we cant do it we dont measure up, it is our belief in Christ and that he lived the life that makes us right with God. Grace is on a higher plane than the law, because as a believer it is Jesus that makes you right with God. Now as you go on to Acts chp 15 vs 5-27 you are lead to the Gentiles in which Jews of the day were trying to get them to follow the cermonial law of Moses in which the gentiles are not required but a few things it lists in their. Other than that Jesus repeated 9 of the 10 commandments in the New Testament with the exception of the sabbath in which is good to follow , but also said that Love sums up all the the commandments.

Answer 5

The law must be satisfied. A sinner has broken the law and must be held accountable. However, the law allows for a mediator, someone to pay the price of the sinner's mistake so that justice is fulfilled, yet mercy is available to the sinner. That's how it works. Christ offers to be your mediator if you'll walk his path. You just have to accept Christ as your mediator, or in other words, tell the judge you're OK with those terms.

This is why the strict law terms are laid out. The Law of Moses was harsh - an eye for an eye, etc. But when Christ came, he fulfilled the Law of Moses (it pointed people to the need for Christ, that was its purpose) and introduced a higher law...love your enemies, etc. In other words, mercy.

Also, this quote:

"Jesus said that He wanted everyone to uphold slavery, murder, rape, and all evil things!"

You put that in there without a reference?

Answer 6

Who was Jesus speaking to when he made these statements? I would say Jews who were under the law. Perfectly valid.

Jesus death didn't eliminate the law, it fulfilled it. The law doesn't pass away, but it has no effect for Christians.

You have two choices: 1) Stop posting this same question under a variety of names over and over every night, or 2) Admit you're mentally ill. Don't give me some long blah blah blah answer, just pick one of the two.

Answer 7

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
You just misunderstood the verses stated above or can you understand correct english? Or do you have poor understanding in English language? Examine it and understand very, then talk to me.
jtm

Answer 8

I just read the answer by Connie, which is after mine. I second what she said!!!

What? Where did you come up with slavery, murder, rape and evil things? Were you reading a Christian Bible? What part do you think Jesus contradicted Himself? You need to include more explanation.

Jesus is saying that God's law doesn't change and is constant. We can trust in that. He also says that we, as humans, will sin and make mistakes, it is impossible for us not to. We, as Christians, are to strive to live sin free. We pray for wisdom to do what is right according to God and ask forgiveness when we admit to making a sincere mistake.

Answer 9

There is not a black or white answer. It must be explained.

In the Old Testament God gave His chosen people the Israelites, laws. The laws were to protect their health and their bloodline. Because God loved them and from their bloodline, would come the Savior of the world Jesus Christ.

The Ten Commandments in the Old Testament, were given to Moses for the Israelites to follow and a guide for us in the New Testament, to show us what sin is and to show us that no one can perfectly follow these commandments. If we could then, we would be able to gain salvation by perfectly following them.

We can not earn our salvation because we can not follow these commands perfectly and we are unable to redeem ourselves.

The reason that we need redemption is because of Adam and Eve's original sin. We have been sentenced to death. for our sin nature and because we can not and do not want to follow God's commands perfectly. We all must die.

There is a price to be paid for our sins. The price is death. Death is what man brought into the world because of his sin and we continue to do the things that cause us this death which is disobedience and rebellion against God.

God had a plan from the beginning, Jesus Christ, who is God in the flesh, came down from Heaven and became the ultimate sacrifice for us. To take our place for the sins that we have committed. Jesus is qualified to be that sacrifice because He is God and has no sin. One without sin became our sins and died for us in our place.

God's love and grace for all of us is so majestic that He sacrificed His only begotten Son to take our place. Realization that we have sinned, repentance and belief in Jesus as our Lord and our Savior, is what God wants from us. The eternal life is a free gift from God for those who want it.

God's OT laws were for the Israelites. God's grace through Jesus in the NT is for everyone now.

Answer 10

Let's first understand the word fulfill. Not one jot or tittle has passed the law is as valid as it ever was. Now let's understand that those who accept the atonement are not under ANY law but free to worship God in spirit and truth and God was never in favor of any sin So that interpretation of yours needs much work. Here's the way the law works any and everyone who does the least sin is guilty and the punishment is death and eternal damnation.
If you choose to pay the penalty yourself you are free to do so if not I would suggest you seek the meaning of the true word of God.

Answer 11

Jesus fulfilled the Law by being perfect. Therefore anyone that receives the holy spirit receives the perfection of Jesus. Although if you have the spirit of Jesus, you will obviously desire to follow the law to its fullness. However to say people have to be perfect, would mean Jesus died in vein.