Aren't atheist arguments just plain wrong?

Question

Their logic is so full of holes. I've yet to hear one single good argument from them.

Answer 1

So here's my reasoning. Tell me where it is "just plain wrong."

First, you have to define the term "God." The problem with most theists is that this term is a moving target.

In addition, because there is no evidence either for or against the existence of God, you cannot use deductive logic (a+b=c; therefore c-b=a). You can only reach a conclusion by inductive reasoning using the balance of evidence (90% of A is also B; C is B, so the chances are 90% that C is also A).

So to begin with, I will assert (and others may shoot this down) that the only RELEVANT definition of God states that GOD INTERVENES TO CIRCUMVENT NATURAL LAWS.

If God circumvents natural laws, then it becomes impossible to understand natural laws. All scientific findings would have to include the stipulation, "It is also possible that these results are an act of God, a miracle, thereby making our research meaningless."

However, we have been able to expand our knowledge of natural laws (evidenced by every appliance in your kitchen). Therefore, because the scientific method leads to applicable discoveries, and the likely conclusion is that God, at least the intervening kind, does not exist.

Additionally, if God is defined as all loving, all powerful, and all knowing, then it is impossible to explain suffering. Either God is not all loving (he acts sadistically), not all powerful (he cannot prevent suffering), or not all knowing (he created suffering by mistake because he didn't know the consequences of his actions). A God who is not all-loving, all-powerful or all-knowing is also not sufficient for the definition of God, because any God that fails to meet these criteria becomes bound by rules that are greater than God.

If God is bound by external rules and/or does not intervene in our existence, then God is either non-existent or irrelevant. The classic Bertrand Russell argument is that I cannot prove that a china teapot is orbiting the sun between the earth's orbit and Mars. But while I cannot prove this is not true, the evidence against it is compelling.

The evidence against God is equally compelling, and while it is not possible to prove beyond any doubt, it makes enormously more sense to live your life as if there were no God.

It is more compelling to me that humans have invented God (a) to help people deal with the pain and fear associated with death and loss, and (b) to reflect the thoughts of the ruling powers in a particular time. Humans are always searching for explanations. When none were found, it was the natural inclination to declare that the cause of the unexplained was "God" (or gods). As the faith grew, miracles (coincidences) and laws were ascribed to this Divinity, and an orthodoxy grew up around it.

Now it seems unhelpful to believe in such superstition. The only matters that aid in our ongoing well-being are work, location, health, sustenance, and pure, blind luck.

So no, I don't believe God exists. And you know what? It's okay if you do believe God exists. But it's not okay if you say that I'm "just plain wrong" without telling me how.

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Answer 2

You are so right. Much better to have no logic and invoke god to explain everything. Why when I do that, I ignore the fact that I lose every single argument and just claim victory.... But sometimes I wonder why people think I'm retarded, I mean I can think for myself, its just that quoting long meaningless passages from the bible is so much easier. And as a devout christian I would rather take the easy way than the right way.

Thanks for allowing me to make this clear to everyone.

Answer 3

Depends what kind of argument. I think the religious person's arguments are irrational. Whenever they can think of a good logical answer, they simply just say 'God did it'. Now that is simply illogical.

Answer 4

You mean, you have yet to understand one single good argument from them.

Answer 5

Thats an interesting way of putting. Yes, their are many things that Athiests simply can not explain, but I'm sure they could say the same thing about the Christian faith as well.

Answer 6

Then, by all means, don't be an atheist. I've nothing to prove to you nor nothing for which you'd be open to proof.

Live and let live, brother. Why so curious you are with illogic?

Answer 7

Its full of tons of holes and im sure some atheist is going to come along on this and tell u its not and use big fancy words and try to admit there right when they know there not.

Answer 8

Nope, not by my experience.

Examples, if you please? What specifically do you find illogical about the arguments you've heard (and please, if you could, restate the arguments with which you find fault before you attempt to demonstrate their flaws)?

Answer 9

Where is your argument to this statement?

Answer 10

they run their mouth like as if no tomorrow they think we have attitude but it's really them i get so tired of the cult like answers they give......God is the almighty..