Heaven, sin and free will?

Question

First, let's assume heaven

a) is sin free
b) allows free will
(I think most christians would agree with both of these)

Therefore, free will can't automatically lead to sin.

If God can create somewhere which allows total free will but still prevents people sinning, why didn't he make earth like that?

Answer 1

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Answer 2

Tom: I think we're back to that old, old question of can God do the impossible.

I know lots of people say that, but they're probably just fundamentalists who don't give a lot of thought to what they believe or say. I don't think God can interact with things that don't exist, not because that's a limitation on God's power, but because... they don't exist.

Like asking if God can make a rock that's so heavy they not even He, God, can pick it up. The answer is no, because God doesn't contradict himself. Like asking if God can ride Pegasus down to Earth. The answer is no, because Pegasus doesn't exist.

So asking why God can't create a "somewhere which allows total free will but still prevents people sinning" is really asking why God can't let us have free will without really having free will. Contradictory. That kind of reality doesn't exist, except in our questioning imaginations.

But you're right: free will doesn't automatically lead to sin. It's what we decide to do with our free will that leads to sin or grace.

In heaven, we're supposed to be more perfect than we are now: maybe the idea is that we'll really understand what our choices mean, between sin and grace. We aren't that perfect here on earth yet because IMO, God wants us to choose growth and grace over stagnation and sin. Then, when we have a lifetime of doing one or the other, that's where we start off in heaven, at a little more advanced stage of spirituality.

IMHO. :)

Answer 3

Yahweh did allow for the earth to be made like heaven, that's why when he told Mosheh to build everything you see on this mountain exactly as the pattern shown to you, Yahweh was showing Mosheh how the Kingdom of Yahweh (Heaven) is run and that is with the 613 Laws that you should let rule over you and not sin.

Why do you think heaven is sinless?

I Yahchanan (John) 3:4—
Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Laws; for sin is the transgression of the Laws.

You will not be allowed to bring defilement into a place where righteous beings desire to live totally righteously. It simply will not occur.

This is why Satan left the Kingdom, she did not want to be obedient to Yahweh and the rules that He established in His Laws.

This is how Satan deceives today by teaching that the Laws are done away with when common senses tells you that if you break the Laws you cause a disease (curse) and then you die, not only that you have joined in Satan's rebellion and you will also face eternal damnation.



I Yahchanan (John) 3:7-8—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices Righteousness is Righteous, just as He is Righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Read Duet 6:25 for the scriptual definition of righteousness.

Answer 4

Earth was once that way; that's the way God intended it to be, but since Adam and Eve diobeyed Him, everything changed. They had free will even then, which is how they were able to make the choice not to listen to God's command. We still have free will, but that does not mean that it will always automatically lead to sin. The choices me make with free will is what will cause us to sin or not.

Answer 5

The typical Christian answer is that the people who would get into heaven would have no desire to sin. We live in a world of scarcity and limited resources which creates temptation for sin. In Heaven, there would be infinite abundance and the people who avoided stealing food despite being poor and hungry (Perhaps to the point of assuring their own demise) would have much less incentive to plunder when they have their every whim fulfilled.

Answer 6

GOD DID CREATE EARTH LIKE THAT! IT WAS CALLED THE GARDEN OF EDEN! SATAN THEN DECEIVED EVE AND ADAM CHOSE TO SIN WITH HER. So all of human kind and the whole of creation was condemned and forced to live with and under the curse of sin!

Sin is anything that is disobediance to god....ie
god says adultery is sin so if you even look at a married person and think about them in a lustful way then you have commited sin in you heart!

Answer 7

Just because heaven will be sin free, that doesn't mean that there isn't the potential for sin. Jesus showed that it's possible to have free will and not sin at all. He's who God is transforming us into. Therefore as little Christs, we will still have free will but there will be no sin.

Answer 8

Well, why assume that heaven even exists?

But for the sake of argument, let's do that. I don't believe in sin
(let's call it "doing bad things,) but I think both a. and b. are incompatible with human nature.

Answer 9

You don't even need the assumption of free will there.

If heaven does not allow free will, then God clearly does not require her worshippers to have free will in order to feel good about herself, so there is no reason to assume free will works as a get-out-of-theodicy-free card for theologians.

Answer 10

He did, originally but Man(Adam) fell from the Grace of God and introduced sin to the world. We can most certainly choose to not sin.

Answer 11

Well, there was sin in heaven, cos lucifer ws an angel (According to ppl) and God kicked him out. Since then, people there live in fear of eviction.
In heaven, its God's way or highway. ( Yeah, highway666, straight to the boiling oil vats in hell). Why did God create Concentration camps and his own Gestapo to catch ppl who don't like him?