Creationist how many of you have actually read a true scientific paper or book about evolution?

Question

And before you ask yes I have read the bible cover to cover several times. I own both a copy of the christian and catholic versions of the bible..

Answer 1

A lot of REAL scientists aren't as arrogant and ignorant about having a 100% of the puzzle. So please aithests, stop trying to use science to make you appear smarter than what you are...as they say a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing....

Answer 2

Yes, I read Darwins Theory, and then later I read Michael Cohens Scientific Book of how he totally discredited Darwins theory of Evolution, He along with several other well known Scientist were in agreement that not only was Darwins Theory False but also proved that Human Life began with the state of consciousness! And it sure did right after Almighty God breathe the breath of life into Adam.

Answer 3

Good for you to at least try to understand both sides of an argument no one is going to win, but will undoubtedly affect the future of education (at least in the U.S.)

Sorry, but I want to address a couple of answerers...

>>"I have not but the quotes I have read from Darwin's Origin of the Species suggest that he doubted his own theory."

He doubted his own theory for a number of reasons. First was the persistence of Christian dogma throughout science at the time. Rocking the boat almost always causes some misgivings, especially when the majority perceives what you are researching as blasphemous at the best. Second, he knew nothing of genetics. Even though Mendel had proposed genetic mechanisms at about the same time Darwin was doing his research, none of Mendel's work was read by anyone until after both men had died. Everything Mendel did (a monk, by the way) reinforced Darwin's ideas.

>>"They pushed evolution on us from 4Th grade on up and that was 50 years ago."

They "pushed" it on you because it was then (and still is, although it has gone through some adjustments since then) the best fit for the evidence, which is exactly what a theory is.

>>"Evolution is a scientific theory and a scientific theory is something that was created by man and man can never be accurate on things involving the creation of earth and development of man."

Yes, scientific theories are created by man, but what makes you think that man can never be accurate on things involving creation of Earth and development of man? And what does either have to do with the theory of evolution?

>>"They can only guess and use their guesses to come up with something as absurd as evolution."

Evolution...absurd? The fact is the *process* of evolution does occur. I've seen it in a lab, I've seen evidence of it in nature, and there are so many papers that have been written on it that have been peer reviewed and accepted by the whole of the scientific community that I would rather let them answer just how "absurd" they think it is.

>>"Evolutionists try to find meaning within a world that they don't understand and will never understand until they embrace the fact the God does indeed exist."

No, they don't try to find any meaning when they are working to find even more evidence for evolution. At least, not in a "grand" sense, as you are trying to portray. They are neither trying to prove or disprove God or any other religious ideology. Science is amoral, in the fact that morals tend to bias researchers, which decreases the researcher's objectivity. If anything, they strive to leave subjectivity out of the entire thing.

>>"but I find that a lot of what's said about Evolution and its processes is almost like speculation. For instance, I was always under the impression that the idea that Europeans emerged out of Africans was true."

Actually, that is one of the hypothesis. And it is one that is being subjected to research right now. No scientist should claim that the Out of Africa hypothesis is absolute truth; that is just absurd.

>>"They could find something tomorrow that makes Evolution 100% true, or 100% false, and until either of those things happens, I can only see Evolution, specifically what they call Macro Evolution, as one of many possiblities and not the complete picture."

There is a complete picture, if you read enough of the research and understand the facts. The process of evolution is a fact, as I said above, and has been extremely well documented. The theory of evolution is just the explanation of that process, using convergent lines of thought from many different scientific disciplines. The differences between what some call microevolution (or adaptation, or change within a species or population) and macroevolution (or speciation, the appearance of a new species) isn't really necessary, because both have the same underlying mechanisms--mutation, genetic variation within a species, and natural selection.

>>"Yes, I read Darwins Theory, and then later I read Michael Cohens Scientific Book of how he totally discredited Darwins theory of Evolution,"

I've never heard of this Michael Cohen, and I'm a bit surprised, because I've looked into quite a few of these "discrediting" claims. It's funny though, because if he had actual evidence that the theory or the fact of evolution has been discredited, I'm sure I would have heard of that as well, especially in some sort of scientific forum.

>>"He along with several other well known Scientist were in agreement that not only was Darwins Theory False but also proved that Human Life began with the state of consciousness!"

Huh? What does consciousness have to do with the origins of human life? There are varying degrees of consciousness, and researchers are finding that other animals experience quite a bit more consciousness than we were previously aware of.

Answer 4

1) Me, B.S. in Physics, John Carroll University

2) It's good that you "own both a copy of the christian and catholic versions of the bible". You shouldn't have written that - it shows that you don't know a Christian from a Catholic, or the difference between their bibles.

Jim

Answer 5

Well I'm not a creationist but I wanna say something about evolution to enlighten others. Evolution is a scientific theory and a scientific theory is something that was created by man and man can never be accurate on things involving the creation of earth and development of man. They can only guess and use their guesses to come up with something as absurd as evolution. Evolutionists try to find meaning within a world that they don't understand and will never understand until they embrace the fact that God does indeed exist.

Answer 6

There are none. Evolutionism is NOT science. It cannot be observed. It is a belief based on faith.

A lot of what passes for science is based on the Evolutionary Model, but that hardly makes it science.

Evolutionism was predicated on a naturalistic explanation for creation without a Creator. To invent a scenario to support an assumption (creation without a Creator) is not science, either.

You are free to accept the Bible or Evolutionism. If you think that they are compatible, you are just kidding yourself. Everything in Geneses is contrary to Evolutionism. Make your choice.

Answer 7

They pushed evolution on us from 4Th grade on up and that was 50 years ago. We also had morning prayer and saluted the flag and that was public school. I can only imagine what kids are getting now. They also showed us in 4th grade the things that we use now like ability to speak over a TV looking thing and a vacuum that could float across the floor by itself. There were also cars that could be guided onto a part of the freeway where you could kick back, watch TV or whatever because you could punch in your destination and it would go wherever you said. Interesting huh. 6TH grade was sex education...there was sure a lot of giggles with that one. Mmm

Answer 8

I don't read a lot, period, but I'm currently reading "cosmic jackpot"by paul davies. It's very interesting, it's about many hypothesis of the universe. I haven't read much at all on evolution, it doesn't really interest me, not saying it didn't happen, just not that interested...p.s. not a christian, or any religion, but I do believe there is reason behind it all (universe, etc.)

Answer 9

Some will have been versed in creationist "pseudo science", and it is here where they're armchair experts..

However, modern "mainstream" science is what is recognised by the National Academy of Sciences [NAS], and not some pseudo scientific creationist propaganda dribble, which bares no resemblance to the truth..

By falsely misrepresenting science in order to more easily tear it down with infantile arguments and childlike analogies, this not only exposes a lack of education, willful ignorance and scientific iliteracy, but it's also very dishonest, both to themselves and the children that they brainwash/recruit..
It is very cruel, divisive and damaging..

Answer 10

I dont know if I could say scientific, it depends what type or scale of evolution you are talking about, some papers are scientific some are just theories depending on what the paper is trying to show based on evolution.