End Time Rapture Teaching Question?

Question

If you do not believe in the rapture--how do you explain these verses?

Luke 17:34-37, "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

Answer 1

The wheat and the tares.

These shall grow together.

at harvest time first the tares are gathered and burned

then the wheat is left. -Jesus in Matthew 13:25-40

Who is gathered up first?

Answer 2

No 7-year "second chance"

Calvin, Luther and the other Reformers did not write anything to refute the idea that unbelievers would have a seven-year second chance after the Rapture, because they never heard of such an idea. It was not being taught by anyone.

The idea that Christ would return twice — once invisibly to rapture believers, and again seven years later to destroy this wicked world at the end of a tribulation period — was a totally foreign concept. Luther and Calvin never encountered such a teaching, so they did not need to refute it.

This teaching first surfaced in the modern church in the early 1800s — around the time when Joseph Smith produced the Book of Mormon — in the teachings of John Nelson Darby, a pastor of the British fellowship known as the Plymouth Brethren. The idea first gained popularity when C.I. Scofield incorporated Darby's teachings in the footnotes of his 1909 Scofield Reference Bible.

This is a very clear teaching but too long to put on YA.
God bless you and lead you to all truth in Him

Answer 3

Just corrrelate the actual history with the plain text of the scriptures.

Jesus gave the Jews 40 years (one standard biblical generation ... "THIS generation") after his resurrection, to convert to Christianity. Then, judgment came upon them from the very same people who had crucified Christ on their behalf.

When Jersusalem was encircled by the Romans on Pentecost, 70 AD, all the Christians had already left, because they had been watching and praying, just as Jesus told them to, so they noticed the "signs" of impending doom, and high-tailed it out of Jerusalem, just in time.

Most of their non-Christian friends and family stayed behind, and didn't survive.

Those were the ones who were "taken" and on whose dead bodies the "eagles" and other birds of prey feasted, when Jerusalem and the Temple was eventually sacked and burned to the ground about 6 months later, by the Roman General Titus and his forces.

The Romans would see their day of judgment about 400 years later, at the hands of the barbarians ... but only after both the Roman emperor and much of the Roman empire, had already been converted for Christ.

The fall of Rome left the Church as the savior of western civilization, and as the most powerful force in the world, at the time ... a situation that would remain essentially in place for the next thousand years.

Answer 4

brian 8907 is the only one who got it right. pls stop perverting everything. as u think so u are. what u are so u think. allow understanding to penetrate the fog that covers ur head(s).

many things in the bible can be better understood if u know the background. in far east it is common for people to share bed due to lack of furniture, custom etc. there is nothing sexual abt it.
women were used to doing manual labor in public. they shared their work. so while they were working one wud be caught up, the other won't. no, gays do not inherit heaven. read romans 1.

people who live together, work together, share common interests, amybe even attend the same church - their end cud be different based on their inner heart which God alone knows. so one will be caught up the other won't. it is a warning to keep yr heart ever before Jesus, washed in his blood.

God Bless

Answer 5

Revelations
Chapter 17




17:1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, "Come here. I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters,

17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and those who dwell in the earth were made drunken with the wine of her fornication."

17:3 He carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored animal, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.

17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication.

17:5 And on her forehead a name was written, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

17:6 I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered with great amazement.

17:7 The angel said to me, "Why do you wonder? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go into destruction. Those who dwell on the earth and whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see that the beast was, and is not, and shall be present.

17:9 Here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.

17:10 They are seven kings. Five have fallen, the one is, the other has not yet come. When he comes, he must continue a little while.

17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven; and he goes to destruction.

17:12 The ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.

17:13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority to the beast.

17:14 These will war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings. They also will overcome who are with him, called and chosen and faithful."

17:15 He said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and languages.

17:16 The ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the prostitute, and will make her desolate, and will make her naked, and will eat her flesh, and will burn her utterly with fire.

17:17 For God has put in their hearts to do what he has in mind, and to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God should be accomplished.

17:18 The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth."



Okay hear is my break down

The woman has been seen by all and she is not only the Great city but, The sign for liberty she was there 9'11. And she saw it all she dose not hold a cup but she dose look like it from far away. So she is not human she is made of gold, stone, & pearls.

She is the Statue of Liberty and The United States OF AMERICA is BABYLON, Because of the the United nations

the 7 mountains are the 7 Contents of the world

The KINGS are

Old testament BABYLON - the only king of the world was NIMROD look back at the tower of Babble

Modern day BABYLON

the first one was Abraham Lincon the clue lies in the American coins witch are the Pennie the quarter nickle dime 41 cents if you add it together. Nimrod was the 41st king of Babylon plus the Pennie is where Abraham's face is on and this coin is not like the rest because it is brown and his face looks the other way From the other coins

And the whole reason I trust this is Because OF The MASONIC RULE IN THE United States. They give us many clues and ways of finding stuff out they where are fore fathers and modern day Presidents or kings. So From this i looked for who the powers to be let die to find the kings Revelation 17 speaks on

hear is my list of the kings

1-Nimrod

2-Abraham Lincon

3-Jame Garfield

4-William MC Kinley

5-John F Kennedy

6-unknown

7-unknown

8-same as the 7th

I think it will be two more assassnations on the next 2 kings the one who is the 7th will be the 8th only time will tell all we can do is wait because the end is now so to all I hope you follow God or there will be a end for you Forever PEACE and LOVE to all goodluck

Answer 6

The Bible says that the rapture happens at the end of the world.

“Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, ‘Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?’ He said unto them, ‘An enemy hath done this.’ The servants said unto him, ‘Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.’’” (Matthew 13:24 – 29 KJV)

Now that is an interesting story, and it can be a little confusing; fortunately, because the disciples found this story a little confusing they also and asked Jesus to explain if further. Because our God is not a God of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), Jesus explained what this parable meant.

“Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, ‘Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.’ He answered and said unto them, ‘He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.’” (Matthew 13:36 – 42 KJV)

A closer study of this parable would seem to completely disprove the theory of a secret rapture of the church. Let’s take a look at what Jesus had to say about the time of the end through this parable. There are two groups on the earth represented by the wheat (the good or the church) and the tares (the evil). The workers of the field (probably representing angels) are troubled by the tares that the evil one (the devil) has planted. They ask the farmer (Jesus) if they should gather the weeds now and purify the field (the world). The farmer (Jesus) said that it should not happen that way because some of the wheat may come up with the tares. He then declares, “Let both grow together until the harvest (the end of the world): and in the time of harvest (the end of the world) I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” I find it hard to be a proponent of a secret rapture for the church when Jesus said that both the good and the evil will grow together until the harvest (the end of the world). How can the church be raptured, leaving the evil on the earth, when Jesus said they will be together until the very end?

There is another issue raised by this parable. Many well intentioned Christians use the story in Matthew 24:40 & 41 and Luke 17:34 – 36 as key proof of a secret rapture for the church, but if we examine this story about the end times with the earlier story Jesus told about the end times in Matthew 13, we get a completely different picture from what most Christians interpret this story to mean. Let’s look at what Jesus said in these verses.

“Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.” (Matthew 24:40 – 42 KJV)

“I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (Luke 17:34 – 36 KJV)

Now I do not think that I am wrong in thinking that most Christians interpret these stories to mean that the man taken from the field, the woman that is taken while grinding, and the man taken in his sleep are the ones that belong to the group that is the church and are ruptured. This does not seem to be a plausible explanation however. Jesus gives an order for things to happen back in Matthew 13. “Gather ye together first the tares (the evil), and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat (the good or the church) into my barn.” Jesus clearly says that the evil will be gathered first. If we take this understanding and apply it to Matthew 24 and Luke 17, we get a very different understanding. The ones that are taken are not in the group we want to be in. The ones who are taken are the tares (the evil) that are being gathered to be burned, but the ones that are left are the wheat (the good) that are saved.

There is another metaphor that many well intentioned Christians use to support a secret rapture for the church; I feel that this too is an invalid interpretation of a story.

“But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.” (Matthew 24:43 & 44 KJV)

“And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:39 & 40 KJV)

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV)

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10 KJV)

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” (Revelation 16:15 KJV)

Here again, most Christians would attempt to say that this metaphor of a thief in the night is depicting a secret rapture for the church. I believe that most Christians have misinterpreted this too. First, Jesus explains what this metaphor means. He says that the meaning is not that the second coming is a secret but we do not know when it will occur. If we knew what day the Lord was to come, we would get ready the day before it, but since we do not know the day or the hour (Matthew 24:36), we must be ever ready! Just examine what Peter had to say of this metaphor in 2 Peter 3:10; he says that when the Lord comes as a thief,” the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, the elements shall melt with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therine shall be burned up.” Now I am not sure how all that could be kept a secret from anyone or how people would be able to live on the earth when it has passed away, burned up, and all the elements in it have melted.

Answer 7

OK...you show me that, but I show you Revelation 1:7 "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen."

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Ok well someone didn't like that...so I'll use a later verse in Luke 21:27 "then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Mark 13:26 and Matthew 24:30 say the same thing.
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To the people talking about gay sex, that's what I thought of first, but it was common practice in this country, and still is in some places, that not everyone had their own bed. Men would sleep in the same bed, a father and mother in one....sons in one...daughters in one...or more if they had lots of kids....

As far was the women grinding it's talking about grinding the wheat down to make flour....stop being perverted.

Answer 8

The rapture will occur-but not when most Christians are hoping it will, before the Tribulation. This is a big fat hairy lie. That would require Jesus to come not just a 2nd time, but a 3rd, and that is not scriptural.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jesusreturn.htm
This person is Pentacostal, I'm not, but I agree with his view.

Answer 9

It's the "two men in one bed" part I find intriguing. Does this mean that some gays are going to heaven after all?

Answer 10

I believe in the rapture and tribulation and the mark of the beast IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN we are in the last days
the BIBLE is RIGHT for those who don't want to believe
are in for a big surprise what would
d they think if they were talking with you and all of a sudden you disappear, what would they think they may also want to consider prophecy look what happen in Minnesota what is next another attack?