if a 13yo girl(believer) is on an abort. table bcuz her father has impregnated her...?

Question

touchy question, mature, sound, factual answers only PLEASE!

this happened 2 one of my teacher's nieces several years ago. she shared this story with us & a debate ensued. what do u all think?

if a 13yo girl(believer) is on an abort. table bcuz her father has impregnated her & made her "get rid of it" & she dies on the table right after the doc is finished...where will she spend her eternity?

where will the father & the doctor spend eternity if they both ask their "Savior" for forgivness after this experience & promise 2 obey from that moment on?

Answer 1

The girl is twice a victim (if not more often). She has been raped and then brutalized further by her own father, and forced into an abortion. Neither is the girl's choice, so she is NOT guilty of either fornication or murder. Her eternal fate depends on the state of her heart (mind, spirit) at the moment of her death, if she was still hoping for forgiveness and grace from God. Her chances are very good.

The "doctor" and the rapist-father have dubious chances. God isn't so shallow as to be fooled by words spoken, but not truely meant. Nobody gets into heaven by kissing God's @$$; He isn't stupid. I have known child-rapists; they are curiously an unrepentant lot.

The abortionist and the rapist have, technically, the same chances as everybody else on the face of the Earth of recieving God's mercy. The problem isn't with God's willingness to forgive and bring life, it is with the heart of the sinner. Unrepentence closes that door really fast.

Since the father was originally willing to rape his own daughter into pregnancy, and then butcher his unborn child/grandchild to cover up his own sin, I would be extremely suspicious of any "epiphany" he had at his daughter's deathbed. The physician already kills for a living. Serious callousness, if you ask me! What will one more death be to them?

Answer 2

there is no hell. I died when I was 5 and came back. I have been on the other side. I know because I have been there that everyone goes there. the good and bad. I know you are yelling about justice and how they need to pay for their sins. after a long life a person reviews their life. being 5 I had nothing to review. the pains caused for selfish gains, pains a person meant to cause in that life review the person who caused the pain feels each and every pain in great detail. also each joy a person causes in life review we feel. the bad life a person lives, it is a terriable review to live through. a good life, giving joy, a good review. then the bad person after feeling all the pain they caused of course by then feels tons of regret. then they are taken to learn. so, everyone in the story goes to the same after life. the girl goes to heal from this life. the Dr. to learn that he was wrong for killing life, (he didn't understand he was killing a being with a soul in it, or he would not be doing it) the father would be going through a bad life review and a lot of learning.

Answer 3

There is no 'after-life', (unless & until one is resurrected):

"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish." --Psalm 146:4

"You will ... return to the ground, for out of it you were taken.
For dust you are and to dust you will return." --Genesis 3:19

However:

"...The hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, ..." --John 5:28,29

The only ones that won't be resurrected, are those who sinned against God's holy spirit to the extent that no forgiveness for sins remains (Mark 3:29) in their cases. (They did so with full awareness & knowledge of what they were doing, & chose to do it, anyway.)

Such ones as those you describe, will probably be resurrected to life on earth, which is scheduled to become restored to Paradise conditions. They will have the chance to live thier lives in harmony with God's original will for the earth & humanity, as never before.

"...Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? ... And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean... sanctified... declared righteous..."
--excerpts from: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

The Bible contains several examples of individuals who did terrible things, who were later forgiven by God. He does this based not on a promise they made to stop, but due to their actually turning their lives around, & stopping the practice of sin. (Even if sin is being commited only within one's heart, it is still sin.)

Answer 4

Where she spends eternity depends not on what she was doing at the time she died, rather, if her heart was right with God. If she is a non-believer, when she dies she is lost forever, regardless of how she died. If she is a believer, she spends eternity in heaven, regardless of how she died.
The father and the doctor will be saved from the penalty of their sins, if they truly repent of their sins and accept Christ Jesus as their Redeemer. How we "die" has no bearing on where we spend eternity. It is how we "Believed" that determines where we spend eternity. God Bless You...Peace.

Answer 5

In cases that are intricate and complex only God can judge the heart correctly, but I personally believe that the girl will go to heaven- if it was a rape which I assume, I can see no fault for her in that case, and if she is a believer with Christ as the lord of her life then definitely.
The doctor spends his entire life murdering babies- I think he is definitely going against God, and I don't know that he understands God enough to have surrendered his life to him.
The father is truly messed up to have impregnated his daughter, and then to be forcing her to have an abortion. He has a serious choice to make. He needs to change his life and rededicate his heart and life to God. If he doesn't he will answer for his sins.

But salvation and eternal life go to those who humble their hearts and recognize that without believing in Christ they will go to hell - that is the only sin that will send you there. The rest of the sins you will answer for, but to God each sin is equal, murder, and raping, are equal to stealing or lying, however small.

Answer 6

The girl goes to Heaven. The father and doctor should be executed for their crimes (The father for raping his daughter and the doctor for killing the baby). But if the father and doctor both have a change of heart and ask God to forgive them for their crimes before they die,(executed), I do believe they will be allowed into Heaven.

Answer 7

Nobody is going to hell. You don't get to heaven by how many abortions you didn't have or as a Doctor didn't perform, or how many people you didn't molest If you believe that the bible states that it is not your deeds that will save you but your belief in me.
The father needs to be severely punished on earth.

Answer 8

Honey, she was murdered... is the same thing when someone kills a believer with a gun. This people did not kill themselves.

to ask for forgiveness, is a lot more than just ask...is acting too. is a really hard thing to do.

The situation must be awful for the family...but is it smart not to ask for forgiveness just because you won´t be forgiven?

Take care.

Answer 9

wow, thats messed up.... but according to the christian religion arent you forgiven for ALL sin as long as you have accepted jesus christ as your savior and do not doubt him? i dont exactly believe in that, although i do respect it, so i think the father should go to hell and burn, and the doctor she be left alone because he really didnt do anything wrong,he was just doing his job

Answer 10

The girl would be innocent, the father and doctor took a life,they will answer to God on the judgement day.