Global warming is NOT the result of natural climate patterns.?

Question

The milankovitch cycles can predict long term climate patterns, when it's supposed to get warmer, when it's supposed to get cooler. It's not a mystery.

This is NOT a time when the earth should normally be increasing temperature so quickly. The milankovitch cyles PROVE this.

Why do people still think that mankind is not contributing to global warming?

DJP5, I got my information about milankovitch cycles from my Physics Proffessor, not wiki.

Answer 1

maybe it's denile...or some peeps feel like they're joining a fad if they're concerned about the environment. Personally i think the our atmosphere is more important than Iraq or Paris Hilton. So when i hear people say "climatologists just want to use global warming to scare people for their own benefit" only to buy a coke or read a tabloid...it makes me laugh. We all know fear makes us buy stuff. But what would advocates of global warming want us tobuy? an air conditioner? what possible exploitation could they have on their minds? Conversely people who say global warming is a hoax have a laundry list of potential benefits...if less and less people believe global warming is a threat, the more and more smokestack companies can get away with and less money speant on having to obide by environmental codes = more money in their pockets for future endevours

I've read the Below response and almost everypoint that that guy made is refuteable...i cant cover all of his prapaganda but i will rebut a few main points:

1-human population IS larger than the earth can sustain...this is taught in public schools atleast in California.

2-Glacial and polar melt off is occuring much faster than any areas that are cooling. This is why russia just claimed the north pole...the melt off of permafrost has exposed a lot of natural resources.

3-Global Warming doesn't necessarily mean warmer...it is the increased volitility in weather systems that is the problem...the earth balances itself out but will fling back and forth between tempurature extremes before it rests.

3-The Earth DOES have a history of climate change but these changes take place over thousands to millions of years not. the only time these changes take place within a 100 year window is when something catastrophic has happened.

4-Solar activity, like CMEs are only detectable with the right electronic equipment people walking down the street are hardly effected, however the government and telecom companies have great interest n reducind the effect of coronal mass ejections

5-volcanic erruptions Do release greenhousegasses but the ashclouds block out the sun resulting in global COOLING. even my 5 year old nephew knows that.

6-trees give off oxygen which is not a greenhouse gas they take in CO2 which IS a greenhouse gas..so dont say that trees are a culpret for greenhouse emissions they do more good than harm.

7-U act like 1% of the atmosphere is a small amount...u havent put much thought to it have you.

8-satilite data indicates a thinning in the ozone layer over antarctica which has resulted in higher exposure to solar rays and thus a warmer surface...

SOME OF YOUR STATEMENTS ARE FLAT OUR LIES, BUDDY

Answer 2

Lets remember; the earth has its normal changes every century or so, But this global warming is not a hoax as every-one is believing, sure there are going to be some in denial, but there has been century before this and they are the ones with blinders on, It's happening and has been happening since the early 70's, Its just some companies want us to believe that's it's just a hoax, so the rye insurance don't sky-rocket, which will happen, And I don't care how many hybrid cars come onto the market,,,,Cause It's been written since time began the Earth was Destroyed with Floods, And it's also in the Bible that's says in Revelations, that the Earth will be destroyed in Fire, and this is just a taste of what we can expect with the future of our World if only people will Wake up and see whats going on right in front of their eyes and yes, we can do something about this, but if every-one tries.

Answer 3

You are reading far more into the Milankovitch Theory than is claimed. The cycles are meant to predict LONG TERM climate.
The shortest M-cycle, precession, is 23,000 years...well, actually it varies from 21 to 26 thousand, but this is geologic/astronomic precision. So, you think that we can precisely derive climate activity over the last 50 years - the period claimed to be primarily affected by anthropogenic warming - using only these cycles?

The whole notion that annual, decadal, or centurial anomalies vary slightly from Milankovitch cycles have been used by detractors of this theory to claim it invalid - and you are falling into this same trap. The theory is sound - it effectively models periods of major glaciation. If Milankovitch never claimed that his calculations account for all climate variations, why should you?

Answer 4

"We are about at the same temps today as we were in the early 1800's"

This is utter nonsense. Given how often it's been disproven here, it's also a lie. Ten different studies using different methodologies:

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison_png

By the way those graphs are basically the "hockey stick" with improved statistical methodology, clearly showing the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age.

Milankovic cycles are not completely worked out. But more than enough to prove that the current warming is not a Milankovic cycle.

That man made greenhouse gases are the main cause of global warming is a proven fact:

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/?

Answer 5

There's a lot more unknowns than knowns. It's easy to say that something is PROVEN. Folks on both sides of the fence say their favorite position is PROVEN. In fact, neither is proven and both sides distort the issues. For instance, in Al Gore's video An Inconvenient Truth the temperature chart known as the hocky stick was conveniently modified to delete the medieval warm spell in order to make it look like it's warmer now than then.

Computer climate models are flashed about which admittedly are unable to model clouds. That's like jumping off the roof and ignoring the effects of gravity.

No, the debate is not over regardless of what Al Gore or even you physics prof says.

Answer 6

Everything that is on this earth contributes to global warming. There would still be Mammoths walking the earth if we weren't in global warming. Granted mans contribution has been heavy, but the earth itself (and it's everlasting changes) has also contributed alot. Global warming accounts for the increases in earthquakes, storms, and volcano's. The increase in volcano's adds to global warming. It is a continuing cycle that will eventually swing itself in the opposite direction. As it has for millions of years.

Answer 7

THANK YOU!!! you are one of the few people i have heard talk about Milankovitch cycles intelligently....thank you thank you thank you..... i have been preaching for so long that we are coming out of a warmer interglacial period and SHOULD BE COOLING, so any sign of warming no matter if it is small or large is an area of concern.....i am with you on this one if you know milankovitch cycles you can see what is going on and thats what we need to show people....

I think the response to these cycles is so low because this is the main arguement of the deniers...after the IPCC report came out no one can deny that it is happening so they resorted to "ok its happening but its not us its natural" BS!!!!....now that we start to explain the real "unnatural" aspect of it we are proving what we have been saying the whole time....the deniers put so much stock in saying it was natural, ignorance and arrogance are keeping them from admitting they are wrong....

thank you for bringing this into the forum....you get a star!

same fittign answer as to your other question....it isnt natural and it will be obvious soon.....vindication is near

Answer 8

PROVEN:

greenhouse effect-proven fact

human activity increases greenhouse gas concentration-proven fact, and the only 100% certain source of additional greenhouse gases.

now deniers, your turn to present some facts...

the principle idea behind global warming is based on scientific fact.

the principle idea(s) behind the claims of deniers are based on hypothesis (often times incorrect/disproven hypothesis)

Answer 9

Because we really aren't warming over the long term. We are about at the same temps today as we were in the early 1800's.

Man is too insignificant to cause any change to the climate.

Answer 10

Amen!