SEQUEL TO MSAFWAT'S POST: DO YOU THINK MUSLIMS over-use the terms 'racist' and 'anti-Islam'

Question

This is the second part, if you will, to the question posted by Msafwat:

When Muslims the world over riot and march and burn flags and threaten terrorism - because of a few cartoons in a Danish paper - do you think they are being oversensitive? Are they over-using the term 'anti Islam'?

When Muslims the world over burn the British flag, and vow to kill innocent Britains - all because author Salman Rushdie gets knighted - do you think they are 'crying wolf' and over-reacting?

MSAFWAT suggests that Jews are too quick to alledge 'anti semitism' or 'anti zionism' or 'anti Jewish' feeling.

But is this absurd - given the aforementioned response of the Muslim community to cartoons and knighthoods...?

I POSTED THIS IN RESPONSE TO MSAFWAT'S POST ABOUT JEWS.

I am not Jewish, but I am getting tired of seeing silly things and insults written about Jewish people.

Answer 1

Oversensitive and being racists is a mild term. There is absolutely no criticism allowed of and in Islam. They kill you for that. What an absurd and fanatical, most intolerant religion..... more of a death cult. Google >Wafa Sultan< ....... and other critics of Islam like Salman Rushdie? etc. They all have been issued death fatwas.

Answer 2

No and yes. I don't really hear Muslims claiming racism or anti-Islam; it seems that they're a large enough group that that doesn't really register. The only ones who complain are those in the Western world who feel they are discriminated against.
On the other hand, I think it is ridiculous that when Arabic Muslims respond to (ambiguous) insults it includes rioting, molotov cocktails and flag-burning. Now it is true what some of you say that this wasn't everyone, and not the majority; however, it is ridiculous that the police did nothing to stop it. This means either they don't care, or the rioters were too many to stop meaning it isn't quite as miniscule as you suggest. This is behaviour that is intolerable. To compare, on an episode of SNL once the guest star ripped a picture of the Pope in half on live TV (about as inflammatory to Catholicism as you can be) and all that happened was that a complaint was lodged and SNL apologized. No riots, no fires, no deaths. This comes on top of the fact that those Muslim countries where these riots occur frequently publish blatantly anti-Semitic comics, such as ones depicting Israeli figures making matzah out of Palestinian blood (the famous blood libel), or Israelis drawn with over-emphasized stereotypical Jewish features (a staple of Nazi publications). I have no doubt that those who were so willing to riot against comics offensive to Islam were the same as those who so enjoy the anti-Semitic comics.

Answer 3

The Muslims shown on tv are the ones overreacting to any perceived insult to them and their religion. In your home town you never or very rarely see this behaviour.

So while the media is reporting what is happening, the perception you get is that Muslims are dangerous fanatics - which some truly are, but this is a tiny percentage.

Any problems are exacerbated by the use of political correctness - edicts by local authorities to rename Christmas lights as Winter lights, so Muslims aren't offended, for example, merely add to the feeling that Muslims are fanatics - even though it is not Muslims who are demanding these changes - many actually celebrate Christmas.

These same politically correct attacks on tradition were never extended to the Jewish community however, which has existed in the UK for years. So there have been no problems socially with them. Only recently have minority groups realised politically correct ideology has empowered them allowing them to cite racism where none exists and demand rights they otherwise would not be entitiled to.

Even though the roots of the religions of Muslims, Christianity and Judaism are the same, we only ever hear about Muslims in the UK, as the other two don't resort to violence (at least in modern times) so we can really only be left with the impression that the only ones in the community who make demands, cause problems and use violence are Muslims - even if that is not strictly true.

Answer 4

No, I don't think Muslims overuse the term "racist" and "anti-Islam". I was listening to rightwing radio today, while driving in my car home from work. One - Michael(Weiner) Savage, let loose again with "Islamo-Fascists" and he often repeats his themes of 'arabs have no souls'....'we should use nuclear bombs on arabs'....'arabs shouldn't be allowed citizenship'....'muslims shouldn't be allowed citizenship' ect...

Londonminx wrote: "When Muslims the world over riot and march and burn flags and threaten terrorism - because of a few cartoons in a Danish paper - do you think they are being oversensitive? Are they over-using the term 'anti Islam'?"

Do a search on the editors who asked their cartoonists to draw these particular pieces of work. Look into their backgrounds-political, religious and ethnic. Then the agenda of those editors becomes obvious.
Always research and take nothing at face value.

Nexus6 wrote: "Any problems are exacerbated by the use of political correctness - edicts by local authorities to rename Christmas lights as Winter lights, so Muslims aren't offended, for example, merely add to the feeling that Muslims are fanatics - even though it is not Muslims who are demanding these changes - many actually celebrate Christmas."

I've never heard of this in America. But, I can give you a personal example of my years in high school. When the rotation of the town's School Committee chairman went to a person of Jewish faith, new rules were institued. We were not allowed to have religious Christmas or Easter themes, plays or music in our school art, choir and band.

And at graduation, the Lord's prayer was not recited anymore. The town's priests and ministers would take turns giving the blessing at graduations, this was stopped.

What we did have soon afterwards were big drawings of Hannukah lights in the hall way artwork area. That, and a fat, redfaced Santa Claus. The former is spiritual and directly related to Judaism, the latter is folkloric and has nothing to do with Christ.

Answer 5

Well first thank you for un-blocking me so that I can contribute in answering a question that you see as a sequel to mine.

Second, my mentioned question wasn't about Jews, but about Zionists and I guess I have reasonably established the difference. For example you say you are not Jewish but yet you are a Zionist by affiliation.

Third, not all demonstrations should be considered "Riots", Burning flags is not a violent act but rather a vocal way to show opposition to certain policies, a flag being a symbol of a Nation or political system they are allowed to differ with. Moslems do have the right to demonstrate in accordance with their local laws like every body else.

Fourth, I personally do not condon violence as a reaction to provocations of unviolent nature but those are any way very few (including the calls to kill Salman Rushdie wich is a unique but yet unacceptable case). Such behaviour is not constructive and rather self damaging. It serves in the first place the agenda of the provocateur himself. This is why Israel sometimes uses undercover agents disguised as palestinians to infiltrate peaceful demonstrations to initiate violence and give the Israeli security forces a pretext to attack the demonstrators. The following link documents this fact:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_jack_shepard/13244725/

Fifth, you can not deny that most Moslems in post 9/11 western countries are being blatantly and institutionaly discriminated against or just to put it in a recognized form, fall victims of "racial profiling" just becasue they look middle eastern or moslem. This discriminatory campaign doesn't even distinguish between Moslems, Hindus or Sikhs becasue of the ignorant misconceptions they are based on... It just goes like "If you wear a turban you are a terrorist". exposing such practices as Anti-Moslem, or Anti-Arab are definitely not exagerated and are nothing like "Crying Wolf". You can see examples of such discrimination on the following link of the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee.

http://www.adc.org/

Sixth, as for the Issue of the Danish cartoons, we have every reason to be offended. And all what the Moslems requested was an appology, when the Danish government denied us even that simple right, I see that we dealt with the matter in a very civilized way, boycotting Danish products. All three reactions, taking offence, requesting an appology and economic boycott do not fall under what you describe. I have though to reiterate once more that I do not condon the acts of violence perpetrated by a few within the context of this issue.

Seventh, You endorse your comments with only two examples that you have recorded in the last decade (I can not really think of any thing else that could fall under this category). So I guess comparing those two with the frequence the term Anti-Semite is used is not a solid case after all.

Edit: To get an indication Just count how many times the terms Anti-Semitist versus Anti-Moslem were used on Y/A lately you'll have a fair idea about what I'm talking about. Noting that we Moslems do fall under verbal attack quite often and usually bad words containing many ******* are used (very impolite indeed ;-). but yet I have never responded or anyone else that I have seen with the "Anti-Moslem" rhetoric and rarely with the same kind of language. But for some reason our questions and answeres are the ones being described as "Insults" by our Zionist friends. Does this tell you anything? Am I right to consider this emotional blackmail?

All right, that will be all, I have spoken my mind, I guess you can re-block me now.

Edit: Oh, and don't worry I won't call you Anti-Moslem for doing so, not the way one of our "friends" did any way when he was blocked, by now you should be able to guess how he started his phrase... of course with the magic word "Another anti-Semite has blocked me..."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AhNp_Op6kHRjzerlv94VdNnty6IX?qid=20070805134147AAWdbv2

Salam

Answer 6

MSAFWAT suggests....
Isn't it funny that he is the most intelligent opponent we have here? And even he doesn't see a bunch of logs in his own eyes (or sees them, but refuses to acknowledge?)
Simple history backs us up. They have to lie in order to prove a point, and we don't.

http://islam-the-monster-unchained.blogspot.com/


Edit: MSAFWAT I don't block you, I don't block anyone. And as far as Danish cartoons go... MSAFWAT, the entire country of Denmark SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE ARTIST!!!!!! It is a free society, anyone is free to make fun of Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, or whoever they want.
Are you OK with the way those demonstrations were going?
People getting murdered over stupid cartoons?
Man something is wrong with your Islamic culture, can't you see that?
You guys are looking for a reason to be violent. You love it when given that chance. And if at the moment of such "passion" there are no enemies around, you simply murder your own.
Nice... real nice.

Did you see any Jews burning Iranian flags and shooting in the air after Ahmadinehad made a Holocaust Cartoon contest in Iran?

Answer 7

i hate caps

how many didn't march and burn flags ?
compared to the numbers of those that did........
what is absurd is the idea of what or who the muslim is, the only muslim the world knows is bin ladin, and that is really very narrow minded and the number of those who associate bin ladin to all muslims is shocking, you do not know who the muslims are, there are millions and millions of us and you have no clue who we are, what we think, what we feel, what we believe, how we go on with our lives, you have a name, some wild understanding of islam and you keep blowing into these fiercely...a big balloon of erroneous rubbish

mohamad the little boy selling kleenex on the street corner, 3am ahmad who owns the shop across the road, fatma the caretaker, ossama the delivery guy from pizza hut, teachers, lawyers, doctors, maids, drivers, people, all muslims
who don't care one bit about you, who have no idea you exist, are not related to bin ladin terrorists or hijackers, don't give a damn about semitism, salman rushdy and cartoons, just ordinary people....

a while back on an online bridge playing site, my partner asked where i was from, when i said egypt, he said muslims worship the devil but they don't know it,
to cut things short, i said that i didn't believe in god altogether and would prefer if we concentrated on the game, but that did not stop him, he went on and on about allah being the devil in disguise, mohamad a sorcerer and muslims satan worshipers
stupefying, the intensity of his conviction, the enthusiasm and fervour, the passion... nothing i would have said would have ever made him change his mind
so until we all muslims are exterminated, i pity and feel sorry for him and for all those who have similar thoughts and feelings towards us, must be abominable to feel that way inside

n.b: this guy didn't hate me, he hated the ready made image he has of me..in his head, and in his head only.

Answer 8

I can tell you one thing I have never heard of a rabbi issuing a Fatwa (call to execute) against someone for saying or writing something.

Just look what happened to Salman Rushdie. The man had to spend years in hiding just because he wrote a work of fiction.

Unfortunately much of Islam is still stuck in the middle-ages, where death threats and lack of free speech is the norm.

Maybe if it matures a bit we can start to see eye to eye.

Answer 9

moslems do not act, they react to wrong doings. do you want them to turn the other cheek? why should they? israelis commit attrocities, but it's the palestinians who are terrorists ! the danish insult the prophet of moslems, but the insult goes to moslems instead of the danish cartoonists.
salman rushdie insults the wives of the prohet , the queen decides to make a knight of him, but moslems are terrorists because they openly show their rage at this act. the west should start being reasonable so as not to enrage a single religion. why doesnt the west criticise budhists, non believers, worshippers of the cow instead ? it is because they want to infuriate billions who did nothing to deserve it except the dispute over palestinian land that was raped by israelis . stop the aggression first. try to make peace between the israeli and the palestinians, solve this issue to bring an end to your anti islam racist behaviour.but world leaders are enjoying this endless fight for rights.

Answer 10

I think they are a little sensitive, yes. I'm not going to comment any further because I don't feel I know enough examples to quote.