Brother why would you put us under the law?

Question

The Mosaic Law describes the external behavior one is expected to display to the world. Christ raised the bar considerably by changing the requirement from how one acts to what one is. Now the only way to find salvation is to become a spiritual being, this is accomplished by loving your God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as yourself. By becoming a creature of love one can’t help themselves but to do what’s right and the commandments are all fulfilled. If I love you I can’t harm you.

Why do so many Christians not understand this most basic revelation and constantly attempt to pull people into the darkness by emphasizing the law and not the love of Christ. I’ve heard one Christian after another condemning other Christians for being weak and teaching love, when in truth the ones teaching love are the strong ones and the ones who disagree are in fact lost speaking of things they don’t know. The Law condemns because no one can live up to it.

Love is salvation and even if we have moments of failure we are forgiven so we may endeavor to love again. To love is to embody the message and the fulfillment of the promises of Christ.

♥Blessed Be♥
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r u randy? I gave this plenty of thought if you go through my answers you'll see I don't expect anything like a reward. This question is posed for the benefit of those that claim to represent the love of God but point their finger at others and judge them hell bound much like Satan does in the book of Job. Personally I’d be more than happy to burn forever in that Hell they tell me about if it made people love one another more. So exactly what are you chastising me for? I really didn’t understand your statement.

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Way to many excellent answers to choose a best answer. I want to see what others would choose here so I’m putting it up for the vote.

Answer 1

Glad you noticed. Sadly they probably will never understand what you are saying.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 2

Gnostic, there are two kinds of folks who claim to be Christians.

One, the Bileans feel that ALL they need to know is in the Bible. They can quote it for any purpose that they find. BUT, when it comes right down to it, They have NO idea what all those words actually mean. And to ask them to actually apply those words is as meaningless to them as Color is to a blind person.

The other is a TRUE Christian, a good example of such a person would be yourself. A TRUE Christian love his fellow humans, unconditionally. They go out of their way to help someone who is in trouble, not because it says to do so in some book, but becaused it's the right thing to do. Period.

I know it SEEMS like there are more Bilians than there are REAL Christians but, take my word for it, the REAL Christians are in the overwhel;ming majority. the reason that we don't hear much about them is that they, like Jesus, don't blow their own horns. they don't feel like they have to accost everyone that they meet with their beliefs. The show their beliefs by ACTING on them and actually loving people. They don't NEED to preach because their very lives are their preaching. The Bibleans HAVE to PREACH their book because they have NO examples of selflessness that they can use to demonstrate the word of their Bible. They have no such examples because they do NOT understand what it truly was that Jesus was trying to tell them. If it's not in the BOOK then it's NOT relevant to them. The REAL Christians have the BOOK written into their hearts, and the words are RARELY identical from person to person BUT, the actions are ALWAYS good for those that they are helping

Brightest Blessings,
Raji the Green Witch

Answer 3

Gnostic, I think in so many cases it boils down to their unwillingness and inability to get their noses out of the bible. They are so glued to the teachings written in the book that they do not even consider the consequences of not OWNING those teachings. Rather than embrace them, they spout them off by rote, professing belief in a God of Love, when they cannot even emulate Him at the most basic of levels.

Unless and until they are willing to truly own what they preach, to move beyond the physical reality of their bible to the spiritual nature of themselves, then this problem will never be resolved. And those that do the condemning will indeed be condemned.

[I find it fascinating that these Christians are the ones shouting about how the Rapture is coming and everyone who does not believe as they do will be left behind. I have no doubt that THESE are the ones who will indeed be left behind, for God will definitely question their faith. Their faith is in a book, not in Jesus.]

Answer 4

You have a very good philosophy... true kindness and love for others is a rarity. Add to that a willingness to live lawfully and you arrive at near perfection. I see, however, that you have a weakness of personal desire.

Fostering the idealism of living a Christ-like life is an excellent personal aim... adding in a goal of attaining an after-death reward, a favor of salvation for ones deeds, is on the other hand not so admirable, rather, it is greedy in addition to being purely dishonest by attending to ones delusional desires.

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I hope you'll give my opinion some thought.

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Answer 5

I drink to that.
As long as it's not alcoholic. lol

I have come to much the same conclusion during my time here on Answers. That Christianity itself does not promote unkind behaviour. Actually the opposite. It is a religion of love for all of mankind.

Many Christians lose this value, because they religiously (please pardon the pun) read the Bible.

On close scrutiny, the Bible does not hide the fact that it was written by human beings. However on close scrutiny by one such as myself, the Bible shows a lot of examples of human suffering. I don't mean physical suffering, I am referring to the suffering of humanity.

We are all suffering from humanity. It is a sickness that manifests itself as intolerance, greed, hate and closed-mindedness. There is much of this suffering that is in the Bible, and so is taught to those who read it.

Surely, if somebody shows the above symptoms, you would expect them to lie as well?

Meanwhile, there are parts of the Bible that cannot be tampered with effectively.
These include the 10 commandments. Thus how I agree with you.

Through following the 10 commandments, a Christian becomes a good Christian. Through following Christ's example of love for all, a Christian becomes a good Christian.

Through reading the Bible and taking its teachings word for word, page by page, a Christian becomes ignorant and intolerant of anybody but Christians, and therefore unworthy of the name 'Christian'.

This is how I have come to view the Christian religion. I do not expect anybody to share my views, but I am very sure they will be respected, as I have shown respect in sharing them unobtrusively.

May peace follow your every minute.

Answer 6

I'm not Jewish, but I'd like to offer another take on "law." The Rabbis, a.k.a. Pharisees, of Jesus' time, were a movement that was interested in encouraging everyone to live like priests. For them, this meant applying rituals for ceremonial purity in everyday life (what to eat and not, for example). And it's my sense that these ritual behaviors were as a kind of mindfulness exercise, to keep people who practiced them forever connected with the presence of the Divine in all acts and all moments.

Jesus, for his part, had a very different style, feeling that "purity" was not a matter of ceremonial behaviors, and actually arguing in a quite radical way against purity rituals, but to the same ultimate end, namely, to help folks see the Divine in everything. (Classic example is his teaching story of the Good Samaritan -- the priest and Levite must move to the other side of the street to avoid contact with a potential corpse, which would make them ceremonially ineligible for Temple rituals they were supposed to perform. But the "hero," the Samaritan, acts compassionately even towards someone of a different religion who would have despised him; since Judean Jews of that time hated Samaritans on ethnic and religious grounds.)

Different approaches, each with strengths, each with the potential for misapplication.
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Answer 7

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Answer 8

Anger, hurt, selfishness take your pick. Jesus said, Love the lord your God with all your heart all your mind all your strength and to love your neighbor as your self.

To many people get caught up in the fact that they are not the center of everything and in turn try to convince people that they are smarter, better, happier than others to make themselves feel better.

Look at the ten commandments they are really about what not to do to people rather than what to do.

Answer 9

Love means many things to many people, but at best, in regards to concepts which transcend the organic limitations of man, mankind often is only able to perceive them in fragments. Love is harmony, to be loving refers to wholeness, a type of wholeness which radiates outside of you by what you have made in order and in peace/balance within yourself. Such becomes the flow of being, until you make the two one, the male and female neither male nor female and pass through the center into the spirit, love as in God is love can not be a complete expression until you yourself achieve that perfection. Can one be as the sun which shines on the just and the unjust? How much knowledge must one have to shine on others even those that are a paradox to your very principles? Takes a whole ind to embody the love that Yeshua had, an Anointed mind.

I came to the realization a while ago that what people express couldn't be love, I knew that true love was in oneness, being fully harmonious. I saw how conditional man was, how they'd surely have affection and compassion on those they knew, but others they passed by. Then I was told hate is not a opposite to love, love has no opposites, it is ONE.

The problem with the Mosaic Law is the fact that it is in regards to knowledge, you leaving what you know of yourself, everyone is capable of keeping the law in a literal manner, God gives us the capacity to do it. The problem is seen in this manner, people think Yeshua/Jesus did away with the law, NO! He became what he did because he fulfilled it the whole of the Law (the Torah and the commandments) within himself, where as the Pharisaic in mindset subject these things to carnal/external pursuits, these things were meant for inner work. The literal application/observance of the law are for those who are thoroughly controlled by the animal nature and are mechanical, to the degree that they need a manual on how to live better lives, so the literal application serves them to the degree that its surface based principles can rehabilitate them and help them to tame their baser nature. Those who are bound under this law, literally are the dead, but the true law, as it is was spiritual before it was subject to a letter. Which means that the Mosaic Law, not only involves outward prohibits so that one doesn't invoke negative karma, but these things have an application that is beyond the untrained and by untrained I am referring to those whom are untrained from their higher resources. Which means that Yes the Sabbath must be kept, but if one understands what the Sabbath is, that this is a spiritual observant, then they would understand this refers to one who makes every day the Sabbath by overcome the divisions (octaves) within and united within, to be the Sabbath. It is similar to the charge that one is to pray without ceasing, to observe the Sabbath, one must be a living Sabbath within themselves, and this speaks completion, or walking after that state of completion. The same with praying to false Gods, this has great implications, its this that the Gnostics call the demiurges, which can be any of the variety of vices in this world which we give over our vital energy towards which feeds the world, this refers to not reflecting the world.

The Law only condemns those who can't live up to what they know, but as is seen in the allegory of the OT, Moses (the Law) is necessary to take the 12 tribes (fragmented/divided state of mind) out of Egypt (physical bondage) but Moses can't deliver the 12 Tribes into the promise land (the kingdom within/Know Thy Self), but Joshua/Yeshua (that vibration/pattern of wholeness) is the only one that can. In the scriptures Yeshua never said he was coming to do away with the Law, but fulfill and we must do the same within ourselves, those who overcome the law become the law. One must become the good ground, in order to raise above their baser consciousness and natural self. The above about about Moses/The Law and etc can be observed when Yeshua was approached by a young ruler who wanted to follow him and HE made the requirement that FIRST he must go and fulfill the law/keep the law and after he had said he'd done so he told him to give away all that he had and follow him, and this referred to not external things but giving up the ways/mindset of this world. This very thing defines the levels of seekers, and why in Gnostic traditions/early Church traditions they say man as being divided from physical (choikos), mental (psychikos), and spiritual (pneumatikos).

In past answers that I wrote when I refer to Laws I am more so taking about Forces that work upon the mind and like gravity with respect to our thoughts/energy, test, and etc, not the ten commandments. Essentially the allegory of Yaltabaoth/Samael. To be honest the actual spiritual essence of the Law of the spirit, I didn't need to read out of a book, because I received it through concepts spiritually, then I saw what it related to in the scriptures. The Law is within you, what needs to be known can be known, to a certain point the literal application of the law becomes ones down fall, traditions and rituals are not the way.

Answer 10

When you accept Christ as your savior,you are above the law of Moses.Enough of the legalism.That law is what got Christ killed in the first place.