A proof of God's Non-Existence, deny it if you can!?

Question

A creator of existence cannot, as a rule, exist. Were existence in need of a creator, that creator would first have been in need of existence. I'd also like to explain what a biophysical polydeist is: We believe that there existed several conscious entities that created everything physical and biological. Then science took over from there. The entities then became us. Like it? It's a mix between science and spiritualism (not religion). Theists may not avoid the original question by critisizing my beliefs.

death from above, it has not yet been published, I just sent it to the publishers there a few days ago, it'll be a while yet.

Answer 1

Hmm... no, that sounds like c_rap, too.

"We believe that there existed several conscious entities that created everything physical and biological."

You negated your beliefs before you even stated them:

"A creator of existence cannot, as a rule, exist. Were existence in need of a creator, that creator would first have been in need of existence. " Just because you up your argument from ONE creator to MANY creators doesn't change anything. The many creators would still have to have been created.

Answer 2

Science say: matter can neither be created nor destroyed. That's one type of existence. Like wise a creator could exist outside our time and matter. In any case we are close enough and it would appear that a temporary bridge should get us to the side of the river where we start making the world a fit place to live. Divisions seem to be the only problem and focus. If we focus on what has to be done, positives, then that would be good. Maybe all this mind power could figure out how to feed the hungry and solve the population problem. A practical idea might be better to reason with the extremists. We have the deprogramming techniques if we could just put them all in a room for a few weeks. Do you know where they are?

Answer 3

Sorry but your logic doesn't make any sense and it is filled with holes. Spiritual beliefs are not facts, spiritual beliefs are outside the realm of science and logic. There is nothing to deny because you haven't stated anything that is true.

What 'rule' states that a creator cannot exist? If there were several conscious entities that existed to create everything, where did they come from? How did they come into existence? Wouldn't your 'rule' apply to these same conscious entities as it does to a creator or God? I don't think that your 'rule' is a universal law, sorry but I think you need to do more research into your theory and actually expand beyond this time, space, plane and dimension. While searching for the truth you have lost the true meaning behind what you may have found.

Logically, nothing comes from nothing. Fortunately, spirituality exists outside the sphere of logic. We are all one with God, one with Source, one with the Creator of all. There is no seperate entity, for we are all one. Consciously, we believe we exist seperately but ultimately we are not and never have been. We are all co-creators with the Creator.

Answer 4

Good question, but fundamentally flawed:

The absolute opposite to existence is non-existence. The space between there being something that doesn't exist to where something does exist is infinite and is an impossible leap. You have basically shut down your own question because the fact is that we do exist. There is existence, and therefore existence could have never not existed because the leap from non-existence and no life to existence and life is infinite and impossible.

That is the thing: There was never a time when God didn't exist, because God is existence. Since we are a witness to existence, therefore it is logical to say, using the above logic, that there was never a time when existence did not exist.

God is a self-sustaining being and therefore neither begins or ends. He does exist. And before anything we know of was ever created He existed. Existence is not in need of a creator because the creator is existence.

However, if you were relating to physical matter, of course it is possible that God existed before physical matter was created. God Himself is a spirit. Physical matter and spiritual matter are completely seperate. So I will say that it is entirely possible that God existed before He created anything physical.

On the surface a very smartly worded question, but you shut yourself down by using double talk and without really being logical. You are basically saying that existence doesn't exist because there couldn't be a creator. But using that same logic in reverse I can support my view by saying that existence does exist (which we are all witnesses of) and therefore there must be a creator.

Peace

Answer 5

I'm sure some people cited similar books and writs during discussions of the world's round shape. Scientists considered it illogical to be round, and churches considered it the work of heretics to suggest their idea of the earth ( rounded on the top and underneith hanging stones leading to hell ) was false. To falsify their view of the earth was to say that god did not exist in their eyes at the times.

There is a flaw in your idea. God, or even 'a god' by definition is an entity which defies logic and all other laws it wishes. The idea of creation is just as if not more incocievable than the idea of a being which was always in existance. Sure, logic tells us that something needs to be born or start an existance before it can be. However, it is impossible to see through the eyes of the divine. Who knows, maybe there's a secret society of gods whom interact with each other just as we do. It's possible, and people have actually suggested that we're actually a very small atom much like we see in the fibers of the hair on a dog. microscopic, all atoms and the like end up being round once brought down to its smallest size visible by us. Perhaps there's even more that we cannot see, with little society's within? You can't prove it, because i've suggested something that we cannot prove/disprove/ or even really begin to understand.

If science took over then where did the universe start? When it started, what was beyond the universe before it did start? It had to be something, if it was then wouldn't that just be considered space, in a universe? You cannot answer, exactly the same as a creationist who says god has always existed and you ask him how that can be. It's simply impossible to know.

Answer 6

It is true that for everthing to have had a beginning, the thing that created everything must have also had a beginning. Yet one must also consider the fact that there are limits to our knowledge and a lot which lies outside our capacity of knowledge. It is very hard, for example, to make sense of the fact of what existed before the world was created and for how long it existed, or if time was of existence then either because that would mean there would have been a point at which 'time' began. it is rather confusing and there is no full-proof theory as to the existence or non-existence of the Creation and God...therefore, While I believe that God exists...it is up to you to decide as you wish. But your 'proof' doesn't explain precisely, and scientifically, how these entities became us. Does that mean we possess certain qualities to create? or transform? Nice theory but I doubt its true..

Answer 7

A created being, such as yourself, could not hope to comprehend, try as you might, the self-existant nature of the Creator. You exist because He created you and gave you a brain to think up all this stuff which you choose to mock Him with, all the while your time is limited. With Him there is no time. If time could be measured out as a grain of sand carried by a Robin in flight from here to the moon until all the sand in all the earth were gone...that would be a drop in the bucket of eternity.


Apply your theory to this little concept:

Could the sun exist without the creation of "light"? Exactly and yet light was created and made separate from darkness before the Sun and the Moon or stars were set out. How would Moses have the knowledge to make sure that little detail didn't get all screwed up in the writing of the account of creation?

Answer 8

Where did the conscious entities come from?

Existence is a quality of God.

"I am Who Am."

God is not the creator of His own qualities.

He shares some of those qualities with us.

The error in your rationale brings to mind:

In his introduction to De Ente et Essentia St. Thomas Aquinas remarks that "a little error in the beginning leads to a great one in the end." He is here rephrasing an observation made by Aristotle in De Caelo, I, 5: "The least initial deviation from the truth is multiplied later a thousandfold." - Mortimer Adler

Answer 9

it is not a risk to tutor concretely if god generally does or does not exist. i think of that's a risk to tutor that God (the judeo-christian version, extra beneficial than possibly does not exist). offering my info/argument agaisnt the christian God might require distinctive pages and that i'm not right here to objective and alter absolutely everyone's recommendations. through fact i'm sensible adequate to attain that stressful info can not settle for in the two direction, I take the agnostic atheist stance. i've got not got self assurance in a god (so as that makes me an atheist), yet I additionally don't think that's a risk to thoroughly tutor one way or the different (which makes me agnostic; which potential without know-how of god). i can think of of many techniques wherein a theist could be waiting to tutor that God exists, even nevertheless none have suceeded. although, how might you anticipate an atheist to be waiting to tutor that something does not exist? could the theist could additionally be required to tutor that gods they have not got self assurance in do not exist? it would look to maintain on with that that they had could additionally tutor that we weren't created by using extraterrestrial beings or the noodly apendage of the flying spagetti monster. At what factor might loss of info be justifiable as sufficient info of non-existence for you? individually, it took plenty earlier i desperate there replaced into plenty much less reason to have self assurance than to not beleive, the quantity of "info" mandatory relies upon on the guy. Nero, if each and every thing could have a reason/mover then god might additionally could be led to/moved.

Answer 10

You have not proved a thing. God does exist even after all your comments and your book. A creator does exist and He created you whether you believe that or not. doesnt matter. all you did is quote yourself, and mix in some false philosophy and false science and came to YOUR VERY OWN conclusion. God just always was and He is real. You cant believe that as you cant see Him, But you would know Him if you stopped the rebellion long enough to just look up and listen and see..... But you wont have that, because of your rebellion. You may say you cant see God, but you must know you cant get something from nothing. Who put the gasses in the sky for the big bang theory, or any of the evolution stuff? Where did it all begin? You say it just always was, but when we say God always was , you laugh at that. Well, even a little kid knows something has to be created to exist. IF I gave you a huge brand new home and car, all perfectly all put together, and said it fell out of the sky after a giant explosion, you would laugh at me, and know I was a fooolish insane person. BUt, you will easily let yourself believe that all evolution matter and big bang matter just always was. ITs like which comes first, the chicken or the egg but... Think on it. you can never get something from nothing, Now to explain how God always was. I cant, anymore than how you can explain that other stuff always was. You know was, everything in the universe had to be made, wasnt just there. Yet you can believe that we as humans just happened from happenstance, an d everything else in the world. Its intelligent design from God, and whether you ever believe in that or not, it is still true.
God warns us in His word about false science/knowledge, and says when it runs contrary to His word, it is false and we are to flee from it, knowing it is false.
How did God know years ago we would be teaching this stuff, the lies of evolution, etc/ God knows everything my friend, everything, and He wrote a book to tell us and to warn us. Its up to you whether you hear it or not.
You only proved you listend to false philosphies and science, that will bring you ruin. But it is your choice, even God gives that, free choice. God is eager to forgive and give you a new chance. just ask. thats how much He loves us all.