Deny this: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/?

Question

I hope I can paste all the text I prepared in two submissions.


Very interesting points John, thank you very much indeed for your participation.
You give me the possibility to express my point of view.

Data cited in the question are neither lefty nor righty.

The consideration you may want to deduce from these data, beyond left and right, in my huble opinion, if you are made like me of flesh and blood, should bring you to o touch you in your innermost species conservation instinct.

At greater level, the society, the communities, the entire human civilization should reason on this feeling and rationally react by protecting itself from extintion by changing some wrong mass behaviour.

Insects, birds and rats do that. And without science or policy telling them what to do.
With all our big and heavy brains, with all out intelligence we seem collectively less clever than them.

That, per-se, may infer that, as communism broke down, time's up also for capitalism.
The goal of the capitalism was to use the free market to find the best allocation of the resources, assuming that resources were infinite.

Now we are experiencing and measuring that the atmosphere is finite, the seas are finite, the soil is finite, the not-renewable energy is finite, nuclear included.
The best allocation has never been reached and never will be, it is a fact.
Furthermore we should prepare, all together, from unthinkable catastrophes, hurricanes, floods, droughts, famine, deseases, no oil, no electricity.

So, maybe, a new form of solidarity, a "natural socialism", if you need a definition to hate, will come up, that we like it or not, just to adapt to the crisis. We could also refuse to adapt - and die.
It would not make a difference anyway, at universe scale.

I can understand your panic, because this destroys your world, also mine, trust me.
But happiness is relative and reality is just an illusion.
Induism, Buddhism and Taoism always told it, isn't it?

Perhaps I will die tomorrow, I am not scared, I did almost everything I would.

I just think to my children, they could have no children, they could die before me.

Of hunger, of thirst, of sickness, drown, burnt, frozen - just because of the climate and our resistance to change of our mindset.

Do you have any children?

Answer 1

I deny that.

Answer 2

Well, Science prediction is like mathematics, you can make the numbers say ANYTHING you want them to say! Its all come from the initial premise, if she is precise enough, you may have true results, if she over generalized you will get something else! And from what I know of the Global Warming, this is something else! Greenhouse gases exist, but they mainly affect higher altitudes climate! Everything below 10m altitudes is governed by water vapor temperatures, and those are not really affected by the greenhouse gases!

Answer 3

There seems to be some misinterpretation of this paper.

It's saying: "Non-scientists have quibbled about the IPCC report because it's too complicated for them. Let's make this real simple. Direct calculations show that man made greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the present warming."

And the "believed" word is a standard word in peer reviewed scientific articles meaning "the vast majority of the scientific community agrees that....". It's used many times in that meaning. Like "It's believed that the world is 4-5 billion year old".

Answer 4

I appreciate it that scientists phrase their findings openmindedly, rather than in absolute terms. Unfortunately the opposition to science isn't related to data like this. It's related to these type statements I've culled from those type of postings. I'm not making these up!

The combination of paranoia and scapegoating should be familiar to the Europeans:

The hoax part of it is how the leftists have adopted this issue to punish capitalism.


Since we have a communist income tax and a banking system that lets the government go into perpetual debt, we have a government that uses tax payer and borrowed money to buy anything it wants from big corporations.

The big corporations love the communist income tax.

The lefty cultists turn it into a doomsday issue.

The global warming conspiracy is all the leftists who are eager to punish big business for "destroying" the earth for profits. It has achieved cult level with them, you calling the skeptics "deniers" shows it is a religion for you.

I was a skeptic, but now am less of a skeptic after learning more about it. I am leery of liberals who want to use this issue to force their socialist ideology on the rest of us.

The leftists have latched onto this issue because they can lynch big business for "destroying" the earth, so there is a huge political component involved.
I think the best bet for now is nuclear energy, but the leftists oppose that, too. They want to undermine our economy in order to force their values on the rest of us.

Some really clever charlatans come up with a bunch of unfounded allegations, just to whip up the hate monger liberals into another anti-Bush frenzy.

Both parties have gotten drunk with power, thanks to the communist income tax and the endless line of credit from the Federal Reserve

The jackbooted leftists are using global warming as a way to punish big business for "destroying" the earth for profits.

Since it is a well known fact the lefties will lie, cheat and steal in order to promote their socialist agenda, many capitalists remain unconvinced about global warming.

Answer 5

I don't. All this report says is that since the late 70's, CO2 in the air has increased.

If CO2 is the cause of global warming, then why has the temperature in the USA not increased in this same period?
See co2science.org.

According to our national temperature monitoring system, the average temp. In my state DECREASED in this same period.

I don't deny global warming. I believe it is. I am just not yet convinced it is due to the minute amount of CO2 added. The temperature change is less than 1 degree every 100 years. I am not sure I trust much of the temperature data used from around the world after seeing our data here in the US.

Answer 6

Pretty simple stuff - we know the radiative forcing due to greenhouse gases, and this shows that it's been increasing mostly due to increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

I love that the deniers latch onto the term "believe". That's when you know you're desperate - when you take a scientific paper, dismiss all its evidence, then dismiss its conclusions because it uses a common scientific term. "Believe" in this context simply means "the most probable explanation is...". That's how science works. Global warming deniers simly don't understand science.

Answer 7

Danny: "Deny this: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/?..."

Ignore them. They have lost, and did so a long time ago. Now they've abandoned science and are just distorting facts.

Answer 8

What's your point? Did you read the paper?

Answer 9

Too Easy -

"are believed to be" That isn't science, that's opinion.

Answer 10

Greenhouse gas changes since the industrial revolution are believed to be closely related

See the 9th word, I chose not to believe what they believe. Worship your trees if you want, but don't force YOUR RELIGION in my face.

Answer 11

This web page is a US government site and it is not funded by ExxonMobil, therefore, they will deny it.