Is the question is that biblical biblical at all.?

Question

I hear a lot of questions and answers based on peoples own interpretation of the bible.

The bible itself says its not the sole authority and that the pillar of truth is actually the church. There are multiple historical documents that show what the early chrisitans believed about the bible.

So quoting the bible must not be authoritative. Does the bible need to be viewed through Catholic tradition. I mean given its the chruch that Jesus founded and has all that understanding and wisdom.

I am keen to understand because when you interpret the bible according to your own understanding you come to your own interpretation. You come to one and I come to the other. What sort of system is that,

There are now almost 40,000 denominations outside the "Church" this is hardly the one chuch Jesus spoke about.

Dont use biblical quotes because I have already shown how they are irrelevant. Its not God the father, God the Son and God the Holy bible.

You cant use revelation to say not to add to this book. its just talking about revelation.

Revelation was one of the earliest books written. further Luther wanted to take it out of the bible.

Its also a silly answer because no one is adding to the bible, in fact the reformers took other books out of the bible because they "felt" they were not relevant. And thats after 1500 years!!!

Pastor ART

Jesus only used the OLD Testement. I have studied the protestant movement for 20 years and have listened to a lot of clever (and loving) pastors etc.

The whole bible alone thing is very very flawed

Answer 1

The Bible can't be authoritative, because it is often vague, contradicts itself, and doesn't have any real supporting evidence for major claims.

Answer 2

It sounds like you are a gullible person who has believed everything you've been told by his "church".

For example the Bible says it is the sole authority and Jesus during his lifetime told that over and over to the religious leaders of his day which took the very same position which is taken today by the Roman Catholic Church.

There are less than 500 denominations, no where near 40,000.

Your church became Apostate by 1053 or so AD when the Eastern Orthodox Churches pulled away from Rome.

For the next 400 years or so, Rome murdered anyone else who disagreed and caused a stir.

Martin Luther was the first major reformer after the invention of the printing press and with the aid of the printing press, most people have now left the Apostate church of Rome.

Viewing the bible thru the traditions of Rome will make people even more confused.

I really feel sorry for you.

Pastor Art

Answer 3

A meaningful question on yh religion at last!
I think yes, the bible should be revised. I think that to christians, the life of jesus is important as he demonstrated a way to live, and the study of his actions and parables is what brings about the religious concept.
The old testament is particularly unfair as so many of the old writings have been kept out of it, making things like the adam and eve story and the ark etc seem a bit far fetched.
A greater understanding of god can be achieved through reading the entire works, to the point where even science can be seen to be correct. The first and second books of adam and eve are eyeopeners, and the book of mary (magdalene) has undertones of buddism. The book of enoch when compared with ancient ruins makes a lot of sense. So much falls into place when reading the parts of the bible which were left out.
This generation is advanced enough technologically and in awareness to understand.

Answer 4

You're quite right. And you will notice that this is where the only Scripture anyone offers to back up the assertion of "sola scriptura" is the one verse from Revelation ... which applied only to that book.

Jesus didn't hand a copy of the King James Bible to the Apostles, all nicely bound with the books in order, and say "upon this book I will build my church". The truth is, no one can quote a verse to you that states the Bible is the sole authority because no such verse exists. The best they can do is say it's in "many places". Odd for folks who rely on precisely quoting chapter and verse to back up almost everything else.

There are far more than 500 Christian denominations; Adherents.com lists approximately 33,800. This number does include all Catholic and Eastern Orthodox rites, but they amount to a tiny percentage of the whole. One can claim 500 non-Catholic denominations only by ordering such by number of adherents, and counting just the largest groups. Even an attempt to confine the list to the USA rather than worldwide results in far more than 500 -- in fact, this is where a great many of them originate!

Answer 5

Jesus did not set up the Catholic Church, he set up the Christian Congregation.

The Bible is the authority.

You have not shown it to be irrelevant. You have provided an opinion, which you are entitled to. I just don't share it.

People can have their own interpretation's of the Bible but they can be quickly refuted by the Bible if they are unscriptural.

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Revelation wasn't one of the earliest books written. It was written around 96 C.E.

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Those who say the Bible contradicts itself have not read it and simply regurgitate what other people have said. Poor.

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2 Timothy 3:16, 17 says: "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."

God's word tells that it is divinely inspired and completely equips, therefore it is the authority. I would recommend an honest-hearted study of the Bible.

Answer 6

The church, according to scripture (I'm not quoting) is the people who belong to Christ. 'On this rock I will build MY church...' oops, I quoted. Here's my point...

The church is made up of humans. Humans make mistakes, otherwise we could all die for the forgiveness for our sins. Humans can't give universal intrepretation for the will of God; we're just not smart enough. I mean NO offense, but neither can the Pope. He's human and he's chosen to be the Pope by humans. The Word (Bible) is all we have and because we rely on translations, there are difficulties there, too. Personally, I look at several translations and rely on God to point me in the right direction.

Answer 7

LOL

I just finished reading almost the exact same tirade from someone arguing that the the bible IS the sole authority and that the church was fallible.

We need to get you two together in a pool of chocolate pudding and just let you go at it (hell of a lot better then giving either on of you guns).

Answer 8

my belief is that you can make the bible say almost anything you want it to say.i whole-heartedly agree with your comment that anyone can chuck bible verses about and we do not worship that book,we worship god.
i think we have to interpret scripture in the light of scripture,it is dismaying to see so much "proof texting" to back up a certain position.
i studied theology and that opens ones eyes to a great deal,nothing is quite as simple as some people think when it comes to the bible.
i eventually,many years later,joined the mormon church because i agreed with the conclusions it had arrived at -so to speak.
i guess that's what we all do,we eventually figure out our own position.
i remain an avowed enemy of blind fundamentalism,very often the good lord does his stuff in spite of that sort of thing - not because of it.i think the independant investigation of truth is real power,i followed that course after leaving evangelicalism because i wasn't convinced of the interpretations it offered and now here i am in a church i am much happier with.
i can only speak for myself but my opinion is that we need gods inspiration and authority to even begin searching the scriptures for anything.

Answer 9

The bible is spiritual food, which helps us grow as Christians, but the Church of God is the Body of Christ.

Answer 10

Yes, and no. Most traditions can be traced back to scripture. Some traditions of the Church were passed verbally. I sometimes believe that some traditions have been lost for all time too...

Answer 11

As the Qur'an itself states. Allah sends messengers in every time, and to every people. The message was needed in it's day to unify a fearless desert dwelling peoples.
Man is the one who lets things stagnate, and turns religion into a means of division with time, instead of it's True purpose.