For those that believe in something like God, do you think Gods existence is non-linear?

Question

I hate quoting scriptures because it sounds so lame but…

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
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So powerful Spiritual guy, now compare Mel to an enlightened Christian.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It seems inspired to me to believe that time is a unique property of this dimension, in the dimension of Spirit all time is now. There is no beginning. This is why Melchesideck being a child of God had no mother or father or beginning of days nor end of days, this is why Christians are described as they are in John Chapter 1. From Gods perspective The Big-Bang, Humans and the enthropic wasteland of 100 billion years from now are simultaneous events. If you can't conceive of non-linear existence you aren’t born of the spirit.

What say you?

♥Blessed Be♥

hisgloryisgreat
I hate quoting scriptures because it shows a lack of understanding. To be unable to express your testimonial from within yourself is beyond shame. Either you are born of spirit and BECOME the WORD of GOD or you pretend to be righteous and cast judgment. The scriptures are just a testimonial and Christ graced you with your own testimonial so use it; this is letting your light shine. Sadly a child of darkness can’t go where we go. I’d have you awaken but you’ve been refusing for so long and retreating so far in the darkness and your doctrine is your undoing. Christians make me laugh with joy at their deep insight or weep in deep silence for how lost they are. There are few in between.

Passerby
You can never write too much for me. I write to illuminate those that struggle to start the process by presenting references they will not dispute while you write to illuminate those of us that are on our way but haven’t had the opportunity to explore the breadth of our own spirituality. To have the concept and understand it is a first step forward to experiencing it which is the salvation. Man does not live on bread alone but upon every word that comes from the mouth of God and you speak God to me and others dear. Every question I ask I hope you or someone like you graces me with your testimony. Thank you so much for the nourishment of your insight.



♥Blessed Be♥
♥=∞

To many excelent answers to choose just one. I love you guys so much.

Answer 1

Gnostic there is a part of yourself, which is referred to in the saying "know thy self," that is an aspect or parcel within the mind of God, to the extent that it is an co-creator. This soul reality is within a parallel independent reality of its own, in the realm of souls. In Gnosticism it is these higher beings of light which are known as the Pleroma, or within the Pleroma, they can be said to be the very neurons within the mind of God. And time does not exist with God, the Whole, or each individual soul within the whole. Truly time is dimension of mind, within the reality of the higher soul being each life has a place within its reality and it remains alive within its own individual condition within the soul. Which means that you can move into that life's reality and experience it and its time and it can interact with the other lives that exist within the reality of the soul, actually you can hold council with them (the ones that succeed in many areas). They exist as images that never truly manifested their source of being while they were expressed on earth. Within the reality of the soul, they literally all exist, the personality is associated with the experience. Also, the possibilities are lived out, which means although a life has a specific "string" of movement to fulfill, every action that could've been has been lived out within the reality of the soul self, which means that lesser states of these "images" exist as well but paradoxically.

In the Thomas Gospel this is found, 84. Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!"

That saying is referring to that reality that is being reference. However there is a beginning in my few, just not a beginning of being. Our emanations of being are spread across the spectrum of reality. Interesting enough Valentinus had a whole Cosmology about that very GNOSTIC verse in John which was more than likely a addiction at a later date. The Church were the many beings of light, the lower were their counterparts us, which would be best desired as the prodigals which immersed from them. The power given to become the sons of God, refers to the Church, or light beings whom are co-creators with God. Yeshua showed the Way to manifest our divine nature, the co-creative being within ourselves while we lived. This power was through his pattern, which sparked the force of balance of mind necessary to manifest this inner kingdom.

The key with the beginning is what is true with all things, once something is invoked it immediately brings about its opposite. The beginning invoked the end, the omega of being is what is searched after, because it is paradoxically the beginning realized. It all is about knowing, one must know the beginning which is their source in order to know the end, this is fullness. One must know how they came if they would know how they must go. The beginning is where the end is, the end is where the beginning is - they are rectified in each other, they invoke one another.

18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

A person who is born of "God" knows thy self, since they will know/be that which is the offspring, the parcel of God (the Whole) - the being of light (as our higher innate being is that of pure light, intellect, and energy). In this manner can one express the indwelling Logos within themselves and we are poverty without this knowing.

3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

To be honest this is, imo, the objective of all the religions core. I think I may have wrote too much.

EDIT - Also one more quote Gnostic, I had read this in the Phillip Gospel, but loss the place of it.

The Lord said, "Blessed is he who is before he came into being. For he who is, has been and shall be."

Answer 2

Yes, but just to not sound like an echo of my brother the Sun Man, I will add this.

There is so much that detracts from 'scriptural understanding' that it beggars belief. For example in these passages you selected there is the 'King of Salem'. Who amongst the readers here knows that this 'salem' is not a 'place', but a state of being ? The current Hebrew word is 'Shalom', which, by the way, means a great deal more than just simple 'peace. It derives from the ancient Egyptian concept of 'Ma'at'. The idealistic state of the nation when the king ( yes, king, i.e. before the pharaohs, who were really just 'regents' ) was installed as a 'god', and Ra or Amun, ensured the peace, prosperity, health, welfare, nutrition and all things necessary to life in the Egyptian state, through his 'son', the god-king.

When one reads these words with this insight they take on a much deeper significance ... well they do to me , anyway.

We physical humans exist here in the relative realm of the Physical Universe. That which we generally think of as 'God' is not bound by the confines of this dense, heavy environment, actually neither are we at the energetic level, which is, in my opinion, the 'God' level. In that realm neither 'Time' nor 'Space' exist, and the need to measure all things in linear terms is rendered moot.

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Answer 3

Yeah..very Einsteinian: Time is an illusion created by motion and relativity. Spirit is is an essence that is always availablebut invisible if one becomes attached to the illusion.

One modern theory is that the Universe has a shape and size that is a mathematical certainty but beyond that we know......nothing.
Also: in string theory, sixteen dimensions exist simultaneously kind of curled up together like a little ball...
yes..there's a God.

Answer 4

Linear time was a concept developed by mankind to help them understand their Universe. Time is a continuum, so that what we perceive to be our past is simply a foundation for who we are and who we will become. I do believe that we are all made like unto the Son of God, with our beginning at birth being only an illusion, as is our end at death.

I usually cannot STAND scripture being quoted, but leave it to you, (((((Gnostic))))), to find one that resonates with me so magnificently. Along with I am sure many others, I am truly growing to ADORE you. Thank you for this question.

Blessed Be.

Answer 5

Yes! My experience is that nothing has really happened, I fell into God one day while working outside, was God. In God there is no time, no anything only pure energy. We are all of a virgin birth as nothing has really been born.

Answer 6

Exactly. That is why non-Christians always ask questions like "what was before God?". Because they view time as linear. Think about it, God is the I Am. God is existing as the exact same God right now as on Mount Sinai. For Him, there is no time gap.

Answer 7

Yes.

Answer 8

Do you hate quoting the scriptures because they exalt Jesus Christ as God alone and therefore there is no room for self exaltation if you adhere solely to them?

Answer 9

CosmicCoyote is *hOwlingly* clear on this one! Ditto, Mr. C. !

Answer 10

if what i believe in counts, yes, i do