Sunna and Shia and Two Misconceptions?

Question

1- Sunni Brothers? How do you say that Shia have a different Quran while Allah protected the Quran from Alteration, Modification, Addition?

"Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian. " 15:9


2- Shia brothers, how can you say that the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم is infallible, Then say his companions like Omar and Abubakr were Bad? Was he Decieved during his life? Was he "wrong" to choose such companions?

3- If the 2 questions above are logically wrong.. Can't we ignore them and stand together as real men against our real enemy as Muslims?

Muhammad: Let's agree that the prophet is infallible.. How come some Shia brothers come and say his friends were bad.. Was he "wrong" in his choice?

Amoona: This is a third Misconception as Shia believe that: there's only one God and Muhammad is His prophet....

Answer 1

And it is not possible for a Prophet to act dishonestly, and whosoever acts dishonestly shall bring with him that, concerning which he has been dishonest, on the Day of Resurrection. Then every soul shall be fully paid what it has earned; and they shall not be wronged.

Holy Quran

The prophet was infallible if he wasn't the hadith cannot be trusted Or the Quran. Please do not repeat this because lots of Sunni believe the prophet is infallible to. This is a great slander, exalted is God if he would send a prophet that would err.

The Sunni scholars do not speak in one voice on this subject,
so please do not make it sound as if they do . Some Sunnis claim that the Prophet (s) is sinless or infallible ONLY in the delivery of Allah's message. Other than that, he (PBUH), just like others, sins and makes mistakes in many things.

This faction of Sunnis base their opinion on the traditions narrated in their books about how the Prophet (s) falls asleep and forgets the prayer time, and even forgets to perform the necessary ablution (Wudu) for prayer (Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic version, v1, p37,44,171). Furthermore, they claim that he (s) used to sit with Aisha and watch a dance with music (Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic version, v3, p228). They also claim that he was affected by a magical spell that caused severe episodes of hallucination on his part (Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic version, v7, p29; and v4, p68). These are but a FEW of the most heinous of acts that these "scholars" attribute to the Mercy to Mankind, the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (s).

Note that according to the Shia, these traditions are NOT authentic, nor do they constitute ANY truth whatsoever. Again, these traditions were inserted into their books by the Umayad, among others, to justify their own corruption and insolence. For when the Prophet sins so heinously as they depict him in the above traditions, we can no longer blame Yazid, among others, when they sin. It is to their advantage to portray the Prophet as a man who listens to music and watches a dance with his wife, to justify the dancing and the music that was (and still is) rampant in their palaces.

The current state of the Ummah is NOT because a few of us aren't praying or fasting,; it is because some people have CHANGED and MUTILATED the religion of Allah to satisfy their lusts, just like the Christians and Jews did. That's exactly what we have fallen into. We sin, then we say: so what -- the Prophet himself was a sinner! Purified be the prophets and messengers of Allah from being of such a sinful nature! By Allah, to say such a thing is more of an insult to Allah, than it is to the prophet and messengers. Because when we assert that Allah sends forth sinful men, we are claiming that Allah Himself approves of sin; or why, then, would he send forth a sinful man? Yet, on the other hand, Allah forbids us from doing evil! What kind of twisted logic is this? Exalted be Allah from such an insult!

Please brother if you feel the prophet is fallible keep it to your self because it will not solve anything.

53:1
By the Star when it sets,
53:2
Your companion (i.e., Prophet) does not err/wander, nor is he deceived
53:3
Nor does he speak out of his desire;
53:4
It is no less than a revelation that is revealed.
53:5
The Mighty in Power has taught him.

The above verses not only proves that the Prophet did not err or sin, but also testifies that all his speeches were revelation (either directly or indirectly). These verses unequivocally clears the Messenger of Allah (s) from EVER saying ANYTHING of his (s) own desire.

"(O prophet) tell (people) If you really love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins." (Quran 3:31)

Here the love of Allah is made contingent on following the orders of the Prophet of Islam. Both sides of love are included in it. If you love Allah follow the Prophet; if you follow the Prophet, Allah will love you. Does it not show that the Prophet was absolutely free from any type of blemish?



W Sallam

EDIT: Brother i respect what you are doing, and know that your intentions are pure, if anyone asks me who is the wisest man on R&S by God you will be my first choice.

Answer 2

I believe the misunderstanding lies in the definition of infallible - whether an infallible person is only without sin, or is without sin or error. It also depends on what would be considered an error. Surely Allah knows all things, and can right even what is apparently wrong - look at what happened when the brothers of Yusuf (as) sold him into slavery - he saved a nation from famine.

There is only one Islam. There is one Quran. All Muslims should be willing to set aside differences in details, and work together toward a just and Islamic society. We all agree that there is one God and Mohammed (as) is the messenger of God. Everything else will fall into place.

Answer 3

Larry of Arabia - I remember once you asked a question ... Do you shiites have a Koran includin a chapter entitled Ali .. ?
No doubt the prophet was infallible as Koran aprroves it but how can you approve abubakr,omar,othman were elected by allah or his messenger since we all know they were elected in a council held for this purpose ...
In my opinion muslims better be united to stand against hypocrites n those who conceal the truth ...
So let us be happy with what we like to believe as we've already let u so ...

Dear " Marhamah" :
what does crushing prophet's Fatimah between the wall n the door without intention mean ?

Answer 4

History has been written and told over and over that Hazrat Fatima Zahara was killed by companions of Rasulullah Muhammad.
I don't know the fact and I can't deny it without any other valid source.
1. And If it was right that Rasulullah Muhammad companions did that, That won't make the infallible of Rasulullah Muhammad became deniable.
Rasulullah is infallible, but His companions might not.
And if His companions made mistake, that doesn't mean Rasulullah Muhammad made mistake to choose them as His companions.
2. If it was right that Rasulullah companions did that, I'm sure that they didn't intend to kill Lady Fatima. And if Shiat Muslims believe this story about the death of Lady Fatima, They should remember that a mistake that did without intention is forgivable. No reason to hate.

Answer 5

I have only one thing to say regarding the Prophet's friends...

And that is... the Prophet never turned anyone away... he was kind n welcomed everyone... be it good or bad... he was the Prophet after all... keep that in mind...

Answer 6

I am not Muslim, but I do applaud your points and your effort at peace.

Hopefully your attempts to reach out to your Brothers will give the rest of us a lighter, more friendly view of Muslims as a whole.

Answer 7

You make very good points brother.

To add,
We should evaluate our beliefs, to find how much of it is based on Quran & Sunna and which part is based on our customs and traditions.

Answer 8

me as a muslim i wouldnt say that the shia had another quran
the only thing i dont lke about shia is that they beleive that mohammed was the wrong messenger and ali should've been the one
i dont know cozz theres different part of shia some shia do as much as the sunni do but some differances and some do everything different

but i beleive that when it comes to enemys of islam muslims should stand as one
ok they do believe in prophet mohammed(pbuh) but they dont agree with the sahaba and they wanted ali to be the next khlifa but the sahba decided on abu-bakre and it all started

Answer 9

May we all unite and stand strong. Ameen.