Many Christians claim the 4th commandment has been changed, or we are no longer under the Law.. I want the scripture where the Creator of the Law changed it . If we are told by Jesus "If you break one you are guilty of breaking all" ..
& We are told we are to keep the commandments right until the end of time- (See- Rev 22:14)
Keep in mind this :
Matthew 5:17-18
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus was emphasizing an importance here- when he said
"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO wise pass from the law" It does not say until his crucifiction- It says the law stands until ALL is fulfilled- ALL has not yet been fulfilled- If all prophecy had been fulfilled- then we would be with him in heaven now...
2007-08-06
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Esther- Act does speak of the disciples meeting on the first day of the week- however it does not justify a changing of the Sabbath. Also Romans 14:5 is telling us that we should not judge our brothers/sisters- whether they believe or not... I thank you though for your response including scripture!! God bless you!
2007-08-06
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Jimmeisnerjr- Jesus was NOT changing the Law there- but instructing them to obey it out of Love instead of fear.. The priests had made obeying Gods Law a burden & a confusing one at that- Jesus came here to show us how we are to Love God & Love our neighbors- He took the power from the priests who had misused it in all ways possible. Also the "New Commandments summarized the 10- If you love God - you obey the first 4, If you love your neighbor- then you obey the other 6.. Again- teaching us to obey out of love.
You are right- Jesus' death fulfilled a lot of prophecies.. but NOT all..
2007-08-06
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Isolde- Daniel 7- tells us only the beast would change Gods Law- No man has the authority.
2007-08-06
08:50:51 ·
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Hogie- No-- I do not believe it was misinterpreted on my end- I took it for what he said. Your scripture in Luke confirmed just that when he said "concerning me"..Which means NOT all prophecy is fulfilled...
As for Christians not being party to that convenant- ...
God's Law was just that --Gods Law- for everyone not just Jews- in fact the Sabbath came into play in Genesis-- Adam & Eve were not exactly what you'd call Jews. Therefore if it was the establish day of rest in the Garden of Eden- Then why would you assume that it was only for the Jews?
2007-08-06
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Isolde- if it were not so important-- which day-- then why was it the ONLY commandment that started with REMEMBER?
Again I state that YES the disciples met on the first day- but they did not change the Sabbath- Just because they met on a Sunday until Monday-- did not give any man authority to change Gods Law.
2007-08-06
09:30:11 ·
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Malachi 3:6 = "For I am the Lord, I change not...."
Hebrews 13:8 = "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
God and Jesus did not change the 4th commandment
(see Psalms 119:126) at any time. Look at Hebrews 3:18-19 and Hebrews 4:1-11. If Jesus and God changed the day; wouldn't of they said it? See Hebrews 4:8 = "For if Jesus had given them rest, than would he not afterward have spoken of another day." It tells us right here that he didn't change the sabbath; if he did he would of told us as it says in Hebrews 4:8. See Hebrews 4:9-10 = "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."
The Sabbath is from Friday Evening to Saturday Evening; Jews still keep it as some christians. No work is to be done this day.
Jesus himself told us to keep this day (John 4:22-24).
"Ye worship ye know not what; we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." John 4:22
Notice Jesus was saying that we should worship Saturday like the Jews.
Look Sabbath up in Encyclopaedia Americana, Vol.24, pp.68-69.
The Calendar also tells us the 7th day is Saturday.
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Who did change the law of God though?
It would be the beast power as prophecy says in Daniel 7:25.
It will "think to change God's Law" = DAN.7:25
*GENERAL CATHOLIC CATECHISM*
http://www.angelfire.com/sc/YJesusCame/page4.html
http://www.marianland.com/tencommandments/ten_commandments.html
http://www.padfield.com/1993/tencom.html
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1339749760049373547pfqiuM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
http://www.truecatholic.org/baltp2.htm
See the law in Old Testament, New Testament and how the papacy tried to change it down below:
DANIEL 7:25 tells us "HE SHALL SPEAK GREAT WORDS AGAINST THE MOST HIGH, AND SHALL WEAR OUT THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, AND THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS..."
ROM.1:25 = "WHO CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE, AND WORSHIPPED AND SERVED THE CREATURE MORE THAN THE CREATOR, WHO IS BLESSED FOR EVER. AMEN."
Evidence: (Catholics know when the seventh day is)
"1. Is Saturday the 7th day occording to the Bible & the 10 Commandments.
"I answer yes.
"2. Is Sunday the first day of the week & did the Church change the 7th day--Saturday---for Sunday, the 1st. day:
"I answer yes.
"3. Did Christ change the day
"I anser no! Faithfully yours,
"J. Card. Gibbons"
--Gibbon's Autograph letter.
"Ques.--Which is the Sabbath day?
"Ans.--Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Ques.--Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Ans.--We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."--Peter Geiermann, The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1946 ed.), p.50. Geiermann received the "apostolic blessing" of Pope Pius x on his labors, Jan.25,1910.
Bible Readings pg.194.
"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act...And the act is a Mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." ---H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.
{Note: Catholics even changed the time you do the Sabbath too. They say "midnight to midnight"; when the Bible says "evening to evening" according to Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31 and Lev.23:32.}
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TEN COMMANDMENTS IN OLD TESTAMENT
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath. or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation that hate Me; and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep my commandments.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.
----See Exodus 20:1-18
Psalms 89:34 = "I WILL NOT ALTER NOR BREAK THE THING THAT IS GONE OUT OF MY LIPS."
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TEN COMMANDMENTS IN NEW TESTAMENT
1. "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve." = Matt.4:10
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols." "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device." = 1Jn.5:21; Acts 17:29
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine be not blashemed." = 1Tim.6:1
4. "Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day." "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath." "For He spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all His works." "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is ebntered into His rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His." "For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth." = Matt.24:20; Mark 2:27-28; Heb.4:4,9,10, margin Col.1:16.
5. "Honor thy father and thy mother" = Matt.19:19
6. "Thou shalt not kill." = Rom.13:9
7. "Thou shalt not commit adultery." = Matt.19:18
8. "Thou shalt not steal." = Rom.13:9
9. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" = Rom.13:9
10. "Thou shalt not covet" = Rom.7:7
AFTER JESUS'S DEATH
"Do we then make void thy law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." = Rom.3:31
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THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AS CHANGED BY THE PAPACY
1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.
(It will be observed that the second commandment as found in the Bible is left out.)
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.
"A Doctrinal catechism," (Catholic) pg.174, has the following question and answer:---
"Q.--Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?"
"A.--Had she not such power...she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."
4. Honor thy father and thy mother.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.
----See General Catholic Catechism
"HE SHALL THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND THE LAW."--Dan.7:25. R.V.
"That man of sin...who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." = 2Thess.2:3-4
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Remember it says in Isaiah 66:23 that we will still be keeping the sabbath. Don't let anyone (Matt.5:19; Col.2:8)confuse you with their interpetation; it says in 1John 2:3-4 = "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
Look at 1John 2:6 = "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
Colossians 2:6 = "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him."
1Peter 2:21 = "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps."
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Did he keep the Sabbath; yes he did:
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/search/search.php?query=sabbath&search=1
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/search/search.php?query=sabbath+days&type=and&results=10&search=1
{Jesus's Example= "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:..-1PETER 2:21}
LUKE 4:16 "AND HE CAME TO NAZARETH, WHERE HE HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP: AND, AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, HE WENT INTO THE SYNAGOGUE ON THE SABBATH DAY, AND STOOD UP TO READ."
MARK 2:23-28 "AND IT CAME TO PASS, THAT HE WENT THROUGH THE CORN FIELDS ON THE SABBATH DAY; AND HIS DISCIPLES BEGAN, AS THEY WENT, TO PLUCK THE EARS OF CORN. AND THE PHARISEES SAID UNTO HIM, BEHOLD, WHY DO THEY ON THE SABBATH DAY THAT WHICH IS NOT LAWFUL? AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, HAVE YE NEVER READ WHAT DAVID DID, WHEN HE HAD NEED, AND WAS AN HUNGRED, HE, AND THEY THAT WERE WITH HIM? HOW HE WENT INTO THE HOUSE OF GOD IN THE DAYS OF ABIATHAR THE HIGH PRIEST, AND DID EAT THE SHEW BREAD, WHICH IS NOT LAWFUL TO EAT BUT FOR THE PRIESTS, AND GAVE ALSO TO THEM WHICH WERE WITH HIM? AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH: THEREFORE THE SON OF MAN IS LORD ALSO OF THE SABBATH." {The Pharisees thought his disciples were breaking the Sabbath by plucking and eating corn; but Jesus told them it wasn't work. Jesus healed on the sabbath as helped people. On the Sabbath day you can even warm meals as boil water for oatmeal on the Sabbath. The work that you cannot do is cooking meals because it takes an hour or hours to cook or by staying in the fields to do hard labor or cleaning, shopping in the store, eating at restaurants and etc. The Pharisees were putting their laws on people. But Jesus came back to them, when he said "the Sabbath was made for man".}
He also said in Matthew 5:17-18 =
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Did his disciples keep it too? (See Ephesians 2:20)
{Apostles kept the Sabbath--Eph.2:20}
ACTS 17:2 "AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, WENT IN UNTO THEM, AND THREE SABBATH DAYS REASONED WITH THEM OUT OF THE SCRIPTURES."
ACTS 18:4 "AND HE REASONED IN THE SYNAGOGUE EVERY SABBATH, AND PERSUADED THE JEWS AND THE GREEKS."
Now if you see Revelation 14:12 = "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." The commandments are still in affect; even the fourth that is mentioned in Revelation 14:7 that leads us back to Exodus 20:8-11.
Revelation 22:14 = "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
2007-08-06 08:33:50
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You are working from a false premise.
You are also misinterpreting Mt. 5:17-18.
The ten commandments are the basis for the old covenant that ended with the death of Jesus Christ. All covenants end upon the death of either party. Jesus was the God of the o.t. and, if one were Jewish, they die to the law through baptism. See Romans 7.
So the sabbath issue becomes moot.
Christians were never a party to that covenant.
And if your interpretation of Mt. 5 were correct, then Christians would be required to practice circumcision and all the sacrifices. Remember, he said here "the law and/or the prophets, and not just the law.
And you are also connecting the two verses in a way unsupported by the text. Christ did indeed come to fulfill "the law and the prophets":
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Likewise, everything else written in the law (Scripture) will be fulfilled before the end and passing of the earth and heaven.
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2007-08-06 08:42:31
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Read the rest of Mathew, and look for when Jesus says "But."
For example:
Mat 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Mat 5:39 "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. Mat 5:40 "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
Jesus is radically changing the law there. Each time he quotes an old law, he adds a "BUT," and explains what God's law is supposed to mean.
Read the entire section again, and see how different his BUT example is from the way the people were living. He would say he's not there to change the law, BUT, here's a different way to read it . . . and thus changed it.
Another example, Jhn 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another."
A NEW commandment? So that means there are 11 Commandments, right? Or does the new one take the place of all the others?
In his day, as a rabbi, Jesus taught what was called a "Yoke." A rabbi had a set of interpretations that he taught, and his students would follow him, and adopt his yoke. His yoke was simple . . . love each other.
The idea of "fulfilled" meaning the crucifiction comes from Jesus in John saying "it is finished" and the translation of Fulfilled and finished. And Jesus' death fulfilled a lot of the prophecies.
But, again, Jesus didn't change the fourth commandment . .. he changed them ALL, with a NEW commandment.
2007-08-06 07:48:18
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There is no verse...Jesus did not change it..... The Sabbath is still the Sabbath and will be observed in heaven also....
the papacy gave themselves the authority to change the ten commandments and change the day of worship from the 7th day to the first day of the week....
That is also a good indicator of a church...are they Bible believing church that follows the ten commandments, worships on the Sabbath or do they follow mans laws?
Jesus came to fulfill the law, not do away with the law...the Sabbath law and the dietary laws are still in effect....yet many people ignore this and eat whatever crawls across the plate and blame God for the diseases that are the result...clean and unclean....
2007-08-06 07:34:08
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As you quoted, He didn't come to change the law, but to fulfill it. The commandments are forever, I honestly have never heard any christian say they are no longer in effect. What they say is not in effect is the levitican laws, which were for the Israelites, not gentiles, such as the many diet laws, dressing, etc.. Has nothing to do with the 10 commandments. He gave us a new commandment, to love each other, but He never says the 10 commandments aren't in effect.
As for "remember the sabbath and keep it holy", I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean "or its okay to change it to Sunday if its more convenient". Jesus kept the sabbath, that's good enough for me. Constantine changed it to Sunday in order to make it easier to convert the Roman pagans, who worshipped their gods on Sundays. Though I understand he was trying to do the right thing, changing the sabbath wasn't something he had the power to do. And no, it wasn't changed to Sunday because Christ rose on a Sunday, that's an excuse the church came up with over a hundred years later.
2007-08-06 07:30:28
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Your question has been asked by many for a long time. Not every one will give the same answer, however basicly it is the Hebrews (Jews) and the Seventh Day Adventists whom are keeping the seventh day from evening Friday to Saturday as the Sabbath. There have been in the past offerings of large sum's of money to any one who can provide the scriptural evidence that Christ had changed the law.
To follow up, with the current teachings of the belief system contact a SDA. In the inter net, go to "Most Amazing Prophecys .com" or go to "3ABN.com" they also have a saalite system of various TV stations.
2007-08-06 08:38:49
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I keep one day a week for the Lord. This was originally supposed to be Saturday. It was changed by the authority of the Apostles to be Sunday.
After the ascension of Christ, the members of the Church, whether Jews or gentiles, kept holy the first day of the week (the Lord’s day) as a weekly commemoration of our Lord’s resurrection (Acts 20: 7; 1 Cor. 16: 2; Rev. 1: 10); and by degrees the observance of the seventh day was discontinued.
The change from observing the last day of the week to the first day of the week is not so important as is the concept and principle of the Sabbath.
2007-08-06 08:38:17
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The actual ten commandments are: For I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day. Honor your father and mother. You shall not kill. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods. If you notice the second commandment of the Protestant ten commandments is not in the Catholic one. The reason for this is in the bible it is not a separate sentence like the 9th and 10th Catholic commandment. The second Protestant commandment is included in the First Catholic one.
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The Ten commandments were not voided by the teaching or commandment of Jesus The Christ.... The Sabbath of The Fourth Commandment begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday.
2007-08-06 07:29:44
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No one can. There is not one text in the Bible changing the day from Saturday to Sunday. I haven't read any of your other answers yet, but I am sure the ones who believe it has been changed will use the same old text they always use and take them out of context.
2007-08-06 12:55:05
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The ten commandments were given by God....to Moses...for the Hebrews. Gentile believers in Christ were never under Levitical law. The book of Acts outlines followers of Jesus meeting "on the first day of the week", this means Sunday in biblical times, as an observance of the day He rose.
Romans 14:5 reads, "one man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." As you look at these verses, please notice there is also an admonition not to judge others on which day they "consider sacred". You might want to keep that in mind.
2007-08-06 07:29:58
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