Can Jehovah's Biblicly prove to me that 1914 was the year that Jesus took his heavenly throne?

Question

I see absolutely no scriptural proof of such an event...Besides it was not too long ago that you claimed that Armageddon would come before that generation passed away.......now you don't believe that...I would also request that you use a bible besides the NWT for your proof...I have no faith in that particular bible.

Anomoly....You all claim that I hate and smear...I have done no such thing.....I ask questions that sometimes you guys can not answer....not my failt, you have no voice......Quit acting like kids and quit calling me names and answer my questions if you can...I am curious about this subject, because I don't remember what the answer is....

oops....I sincerely meant no disrespect by putting Jehovah's. and not Jehovah's Witnesses...Typing error....sorry

sklemetti....expand..for this proves nothing....I REALLY want this one cleared up...I did not understand it as a Witness and I still do not understand it.

FRITO....I ask and answer questions in areas that I have a great deal of wxperience...my right....i never have resorted to name calling though,in that it would be unchristian...Most Witnesses have called me many names.....I also answer a lot of questions in hair, in that I know a great deal about that subject as well.. But no one in hair has called me a liar or an apostate or evil or any number of names that the JW's feel justified in calling me, because i criticise Pantine...or I tell you not to do your own haircolor...or I give instructon to go to a professional.

Waiting for a scriptural answer...I really want to know?..so far just attacking me for asking...

Oedderin....If "true Christians" indeed do not have a chip in thir sholder, then why not accept my apology for my error in typing 1/2 your title...and the hostility in your answer exposes your platform....I have NO problem stating that I have a serious Problem with the WBTS.

15 answers and NO answers

Pedderin....no other christian organization recognizes the NWT as an accurate translation of the Scriptures.

Still waiting for a biblical answer ...

Answer 1

Hi Silenced Lamb,

I too am waiting for a biblical answer. From what I have read of the responses so far, no one has given a biblical answer.
A couple of their other “predictions” are

"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 4

"...the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." The Time Is at Hand,

Seems they got it wrong more than a couple of times.

Answer 2

Dear Silenced Lamb,

I am not a jw so I'm not going to try to answer your question. I would however like to share an observation from my reading in The Daily Walk Bible today. For August 6 the reading is Jeremiah 26-29.

As I was reading Chapter 28 I was reminded yet again that God makes it abundantly clear who is speaking His Word. In this case Jeremiah was and Hananiah was NOT.

The things the jws said would happen in 1914 did not happen. Nor did the things they said would happen in 1975 happen.

It can be said with 100% assurance that the things they say are going to happen at any point in the future are not going to happen. How can I be so sure one may ask? WE can be sure because at NO point in the Bible do we see the FALSE prophets eventually turn into TRUE prophets.

The Good News is that they can REPENT and forsake their past teachings and I pray that they will do just that while it is still possible.

Edit:
Agape, please check this link to a question asked 4 months ago. It gives the TRUTH about that home version of the question you refer to. It was NOT a question on Jeopardy but jws persist in believing it was.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AgBP9Bim6TeqQc_mm6.NwADty6IX?qid=20070412104536AAuCVdv&show=7#profile-info-2df62b129c1a848c5b5f53b87e8f9620aa

Michael, thank you very much for providing that link! The letter was dated 2003. I am absolutely amazed that there is anybody left to call themself a jw.

For His glory,
JOYfilled

Answer 3

No

But Achtung certainly tried.

His argument, weak to begin with, really falls apart when he says that Daniel chapter 4 contains a prophecy in which God's rulership, through the Davidic kings, is represented by a tree. Is that what it says in Daniel chapter 4?

No.

In verses 20-22, Daniel says that the tree represents - not God's rulership, not Davidic kings - but Nebuchadnezzar.

Big leap of faith from Nebuchednezzar - a Babylonian - to "Davidic kings".

Similar faulty reasoning by the Watchtower in the past resulted in the belief that the year 1878 was a year of significance, based on Jeremiah 16:18 "Jacob's double"., KJ. (See Proclaimers book, page 632 footnote.)

Edited

keiichi mentioned a "dual fulfillment" which is the same reasoning used to arrive at the year 1878 mentioned above. But, as usual, this is mere speculation because Daniel in no way indicated there would be more than one fulfillment of Nebuchednezzar's dream of the tree.

Answer 4

Attention Hot - that is one of the bigggggggesssst stretches the WTB&TS has perpetuated and you know it.

Garbage eschatology - always has been - always will be.

It is so bad that it is laughed at.

I have a hard time even calling it heretical because it is so bad. hahahaha

But it is heretical nonetheless
Quite comical and easily disproven as above by Christian Soldier Eph. 6:10-20.

You quite well know there was not a "Davidic lineage" sitting on the throne in Jerusalem in the time of Jesus. The family sitting as rulers had bought the rulership from Rome and were Kenites from the Negeb of the Kenites in which Masada is nearby.

But you certainly made it sound like that. You know it and you may also know who the last king from the lineage of David was to sit in Jerusalem?

Answer 5

Hello "S.L" This is not really a reply to your question but I thought I would place this link here so that you and others can see what a Man who the watchtower claims is support for there NWT really thinks of their translation. they quote him in the purple bible on the John 1 commentary. Its Pg 1115 of the purple bible I thinkk, but if I'm wrong you can find it on the John 1 commentary. his nam is Julius R. Mantey and he wrote the book Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament. here is a letter he wrote to the watchtower, man I wish more Jehovah wittinesses would know this and take it seriously. The WT is lying to them...... any way here is the letter.

http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?id=698&rc=1&list=multi

YOu can also find Audio of him on the web stating how they misused his book to support their lies. It a bit more powerful than the letter. He was Very upset.

If you are a Jehovah's wittiness and you read this letter please think about it carefully . Christians love you and do not want you to be lied to anymore.

God bless

Answer 6

I would doubt that Jesus took any throne at all. If he did, he woudn't have been crucified as stated in the "Bibile".

People must know that the scriptures are those that were writen many years after history. The books were written by men who had agendas.

Do you think that a man named Noah could have built a ship to take two of every kind of animal into it and last for 40 days and nights? Does one beleve that we shoud sacrifice lambs and spread their blood upon the doors of "believers"? Should we erect tents to give bread in the desert to a god that said that we should do so?

This is riduculious because we don't do these things. Bible toators say that we should believe in the Bible, yet they do not do what the Bible says to do. They do not sacrifice lambs as the Bible says to do and they do not agree with insest which the Bible says did happen in order to contine the race.

Answer 7

Good question Silenced!

I'm waitng...Any day now!

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, AND ALWAYS BE READY TO GIVE A DEFENSE TO EVERYONE WHO ASKS YOU A REASON FOR THE HOPE THAT IS IN YOU, with meekness and fear. 1 Pet. 3:15

An absolutely critical date for the Jehovah's Witnesses is 1914 AD. It is the date when, according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the time of the Gentiles ended (Watchtower, 5/1/93, page 11) and "Jesus-the heavenly warrior Michael-became King of God's heavenly Kingdom," (Watchtower 11/1/93, page 23). To arrive at this date, the Witnesses take the account in Daniel 4 and apply a 360 day year for each of the seven "times" for a total of 2520 years. They add this date to 607 B.C., their date for the fall of Jerusalem under Nebuchadnezzar, and arrive at 1914 A.D., the date when Jesus supposedly returned invisibly in the heavens (The Truth Shall Make You Free, p. 300), the "appointed time of the nations" ended (The Time is at Hand, page 79), and the beginning of the end of the world commenced (Watchtower 11/15/50, page 438). Please consider the following quote.

"This marked time began in the year 1914 (A.D.). In that important year the 'appointed times of the nations,' 2,520 years long, ran out. If we measure back that many years from 1914 we come to the ancient date of 607 B.C. That year was marked for the overthrow of the earthly "throne of Jehovah" and for the destruction of the throne city of Jerusalem and its sanctuary and for the total desolation of the land of the kingdom of Judah." (From the Book, "Your Will," 1958, pp. 309-310, Watchtower CD, emphasis added).

Therefore, the date 607 BC becomes the critical date in question. Was 607 BC the date when Jerusalem fell? No, it wasn't. No Bible scholar and no archaeological scholar holds to that date. The correct date is 586 B.C., not 607 B.C. Therefore, the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong about 1914 and everything else they attach to that date based on their prophet misunderstanding. Let's verify further that 607 B.C. is the date used by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society before we establish the counter evidence.

* "The true prophet Jeremiah, not the false prophets, was vindicated when Jerusalem was razed by Babylonian soldiers in 607 B.C.E., the temple destroyed, and the populace either killed or dragged away captive to distant Babylon. The pitiful few that were left in the land fled into Egypt.-Jeremiah 39:6-9; 43:4-7," (Watchtower 2/1/92, page 4).
* "In 607 B.C.E., Israel was taken into captivity for 70 years," (Watchtower 4/15/92, page 10).
* "Samaria fell to the Assyrians in 740 B.C.E., and Jerusalem and its temple were destroyed by the Babylonians in 607 B.C.E," (Watchtower, 11/1/92, page 13).
* "The Babylonians came in 607 B.C.E. and stripped Jerusalem bare. Her people and her wealth were carried off to Babylon. The city was destroyed, the temple was burned, and the land was left desolate.-2 Chronicles 36:17-21," (Watchtower 10/15/88, page 16).

Following are citations verifying that the correct date for the fall of Jerusalem was not 607 B.C, but 586 B.C.

* According to Encyclopedia.com, the Babylonian captivity, is defined as "the period from the fall of Jerusalem (586 B.C.) to the reconstruction in Palestine of a new Jewish state (after 538 B.C.)."
* "You will recall that the Babylonians, under Nebuchadnezzar, after twice laying siege to Jerusalem, finally captured it in 586 B.C.E. Nebuchadnezzar's army then pillaged the city, destroying the Temple and sending the inhabitants off to exile in Babylonia.("Biblical Archaeological Review, Biblical Archaelogical Review).
* "...Nebuchadnezzar promptly invaded his unhappy country and besieged Jerusalem for a year and a half. In 587 Jerusalem fell and numbers of its inhabitants were carried away captive to Babylonia..." (Unger, Merrill, F., Unger's Bible Dictionary, Moody Press, Chicago, 1966, page 782).
o Notice that the year 587 is offered instead of 586. There is sometimes a difference of opinion as to which year is the exact one. Nevertheless, it is obvious that 607 B.C. is not even close.
* "586, Jerusalem destroyed and burned (Jer. 52:13f.); people taken captive (52:28-30). (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1982, page 1016)

It is quite clear that the Jehovah's Witness organization is wrong about the 607 B.C. date upon which they place so much of their end times theology. If they are wrong about such a basic event and have not changed their error to match historical fact, how can they be trusted to represent biblical truth? They cannot.
The fact is that they can not change their date of 1914 because they have so much invested in it. They are forced to retain their 607 BC date even though it is in obvious error. To admit they were wrong is to undermine the whole credibility and truth of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. This they cannot do because they are more dedicated to their organization than they are to the truth.

Answer 8

WHO ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

The central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower,the reason they came into existence was to proclaim Jesus Christ second coming in 1914.They will now deny that they ever made this claim,that's called BAIT AND SWITCH

For 50 plus years the masthead of the Watchtower,viewed when you opened up to the inside front cover would read as follows:

"This magazine(Watchtower) builds up confidence in the Creators PROMISE of a peaceful and secure "new world" before the generation "that witnessed" the EVENTS OF 1914 passes away"".
By their own admission the Watchtowers has published this dogma in hundreds of millions of pieces of their own literature.

They deleted this false Adventist millerite derived prophecy in 1995 because it had FAILED.

The Watchtower leadership has "purged" hundreds of thousands of followers over the years for failing to uphold the 1914 (Jesus came to power) loyalty oath to this now defunct dogma.

The Bible clearly warns to turn away from false prophets.
Learn more about the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses http://www.freeminds.org

http://www.blogigo.co.uk/JEHOVAHWITNESS

http://jehovahwitness.vox.com/

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EDITED:
agape posted this URBAN LEGEND LIE
(do a google search of keywords and see what you come up with)

Regarding the NWT, i guess you missed the one show of Jeopardy when the answer was: it is the most accurate Bible Translation....

No contestant were able to answer it.

Alex Tribek said, "What is the New World Translation, Bible, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society"

Answer 9

How easy is that, the bible use the term "tree" sometimes to represent goverments or rulers for example in Ezekiel 31:1-18, Psalm 1:3 and Jeremiah 17:8.

So how do we know that the tree of Daniel 4 it also applied to God´s kingdom and his annoited king?
Simple, Jesus himself give the clue in Matthew 24:15 that the book of Daniel was related to him and his kingdom.

Which other kingdom can be seen in the whole world if is not the Kingdom of God? the babylonian King was powerful but not in the whole earth the only that can have influence in all earth is God´s kingdom.

7 times of 360 years each one equal to 2520 years from 607 B.C until 1914 A.C (no zero year) , after that every single word that Jesus said in Matthew 24:3-14 began to happens in 1914, casuality?
I don´t think so, will finish with the Armageddon.

if people who claim that 607 is not the year of ther interruption of God´s kingdom in earth (Catholic Church which actually is not trustable cause had lies too many times) then Jesus didn´t born in 33 C.E, if Jesus didn´t born in that year Nisan 14 then he wouldn´t died Friday, cause that is the day of the week that the bible said tat happens, the time of Jesus´ baptized is related to 607 cause after that 70 years of cautivery and the prophecy of 70 weeks give the exact time of Jesus ´s presentation to John the baptist.

As you can see silenced lamb, nobody can´t denied that 1914 was an important date in humand´s mankind and people who reject that date can´t explain why that year was so terrible for humanity, they can say "No" but with no proof.

By the way that is in all bibles in the world.

Answer 10

Jehovah’s Witnesses are not preterists. They recognize that Jesus’ great prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. has a dual fulfillment that extends far beyond the first century.

But dates are irrelevant when the tribulation finally gets here. What is important is to be like Noah and reach out to as many people as they can before then, and follow Jesus creed to have extra oil in our lamps during that time.

Mat 25:1-5 "The Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of ten bridesmaids who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. The five who were foolish took no oil for their lamps, but the other five were wise enough to take along extra oil."