If Jesus and the Father are one?

Question

Then why did Jesus cry out to God in the ninth hour asking why hast thou forsaken me?

Speaking to God and asking him questions seems to suggest that they were two separate beings.

He said "I and the father are one."

Answer 1

They are not 1...they are 2 separate beings, and with the Holy Spirit they make the Holy Trinity...3 Godly beings working as one to achieve God's goal....

It's like if you had 2 friends and you had a master plan...and you send your friend to someone and they're like "*so and so* sent me to talk to you about buying 90808043 lollipops(all part of your master plan...don't ask why)"

If they're like who are you? and your friend says that he is the messenger to you, that you and him are one(in the goal...he wants what you want) that He is you in representation, that the only way to talk to you is through him because you don't like the lollipop dealer!

Answer 2

You are right, it doesn't make sense does it? That's because it's untrue. God and Jesus are not the same. They are two separate beings, God the Father, and Christ, the son. The Holy Spirit is God's active force.

Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

Matt. 12:31, 32, RS: “Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” (If the Holy Spirit were a person and were God, this text would flatly contradict the Trinity doctrine, because it would mean that in some way the Holy Spirit was greater than the Son. Instead, what Jesus said shows that the Father, to whom the “Spirit” belonged, is greater than Jesus, the Son of man.)

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. So the truth here stated applies to the relationship between God and Christ in heaven.)

I think you get the idea, you seem to have a good grasp on the reality of the sepertation between God and Jesus.

Answer 3

Its really easy Daisy. God imparted some of His own Spirit into Jesus' body. Thats why Jesus is both God and man. Jesus called out because His Father in heaven looked away from Jesus as He hung dying on the cross. God could not stand to see all that sin on His only Son's shoulders!

Answer 4

First:Jesus & God are not the same entity.Where is the valid argument to support that deceivefulness?When Jesus ask to His Father what youasked for is because as a human being was acting as it, in order accomplish the second pact between God & Abraham as the jewish people for having a second chance to get the Paradise

Answer 5

Jesus the Father and the Spirit are all separate, you're right. He wouldn't be talking to himself that would be crazy. And Jesus is Jehovah just to clear up the answer above, read Heb. 1:1-10 It explains that Jesus created all the worlds under the direction of the Father. Especially verse 2.

Edit***John 1 verse 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Answer 6

I suggest asking your pastor that question. Many of the answers that have been given here are not Biblical at all (many of the responses here seem to be coming from Jehovah's Witnesses). So ask a local pastor, he will probably be able to answer to your question much better than anyone here, myself included.

But to try to answer it myself.

Jesus certainly claimed to be God many times in the gospels. And his apostles also claimed that he was God. Jesus and the Father are not seperate beings, they are one being, but seperate persons. The distinction is important. There is only 1 God but he has revealed himself to us in 3 particular, different ways. Here's a link to some verses that show Jesus is God http://www.carm.org/doctrine/isJesusGod.htm .

So why did Jesus cry out, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me" ? At that moment the Father poured out all His almighty wrath against sin on his Son. To think that Jesus merely bore the pain of whips and thorns and nails is wrong. Jesus endured the entirety of God's fury against the sin of his people. That is why his children are allowed to escape God's wrath, Jesus endured it instead.

As to whether Jesus is talking to himself, he is talking to the Father. This is great mystery here, and we will not ever fully understand it, but although Jesus and the Father are the same being -- the same God -- they are two seperate persons. The Father delights in the Son and the Son delights in the Father. And that's an awesome thing! Some people have this idea that God created the world because he was bored or didn't have anything better to do. But God has always been and will always been infinitely happy in the fellowship he has experienced from before creation between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God doesn't need people for anything; in fact he created people out of an overflow of his joy in the Son. This is the entire reason God planned that his Son would die for our sins, so that his Son could be lifted up and exalted and made to be seen glorious as he really is. Creation exists as a way of the Father to express his joy in his Son.

For further reading on the subject I highly recommend Jonathan Edward's essay on the trinity. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edwards/trinity/files/trinity.html

Answer 7

Jesus is both human and GOD. And remember the trinity of GOD, there is also the heavenly Father in Jesus. But in order to die for human sins in calvary, He need to do it alone, without heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit in Him. Coz his death must exactly according to what have been foretold by the prophets hundred and hundred years before. As GOD's only son.

So, in the ninth hour Jesus cried out to GOD coz He felt teribbly alone. And that is the hardest part of Jesus' task, to do it alone.. But deep down inside He understand that this is a must, that His Heavenly Father didn't desert Him for nothing, but that this is must be done to fulfill the prophecies foretold by the prophets hundred years before and to atone human sins.

Answer 8

In heaven Jesus Christ and His Father are one. Jesus left His Godly attributes when He came down to earth as a Man. As a Man born of the Spirit, God is His Father. Jesus prayed as a Man to the Father. Jesus as God would not have to pray to Himself as God.

Answer 9

It is hard to understand these things unless we ask the Holy Spirit to help us. Bible also says, when 2 are married they become one flesh. It means the intimacy and the relationship they share. Sameway and more is the relationship between Jesus and Father.

Please read here how God changed my life,
http://www.protectinghands.com/ladder_to_heaven.htm

Answer 10

St. John 10:30
"I and my Father are one."

St Matthew 5:17
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

"I am" is what God calls Himself, and with the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ is the fulfillment "I am" is speaking of.
Paul is speaking of Christ in his verse. Given that, if it were to be God and Christ as seperate he would have written it this way. But he didn't. Even Paul writes his verse as they are one.


The reason why Jesus Christ calls Himself the Son of God is because it is true God is not a human being. He is a soul entity. The soul entity of God is the entity that created man, human beings. Therefore Jesus Christ (Image of God), is a man, in the body of His own creation. Which is why He calls Himself Son of God.

When Jesus Christ calls out to the Father, and when He speaks of the Father He is reffering to the soul entity of God. The soul entity of Himself.

When he asks, "why hast thou forsaken me?", it has to do with the power that lie between the soul and the image.

Jesus Christ says so Himself when He says at in the end times no one knows the time or day except the Father Himself. It is the Image of God, Jesus Christ, the SON OF GOD who is saying this with all He is inside and out with being the Image of God, Jesus Christ, and the Son of God. The place inside of Him that holds His Image.

When it comes to spiritual power there is great difference between the soul, and the image.

The specific reason why God chose to do it the way He did when it comes to Jesus Christ (Image of God), is because it is serious business that is being delt with when it comes to God, and satan trying to take away all that God has created.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one.

When Jesus Christ speaks of the Father it has to do with the place that His words are coming from, from within side Himself.

This is the very reason why God is the Powerful One because it is the WAY God takes care of business when it comes to any kind of power. Whether it be power in the soul, and power with images. As God being the Powerful One in all that He deals with when it comes to the soul and images is because power in general is not easy to understand, nor is it easy go about. When He dealt with the Father and Himself this way He is showing all that know power that He is God because it is not easy to know the difference when it comes to the soul and image.

Answer 11

Hi Daisy Indigo,
Jesus is not his own Father & God.
They r 1; in purpose.
The Scriptures say@ John 1:18:
"No man has seen God at any time;
the only-begotten god who is in he bosom [position]
with the Father is the one that has explained Him."
Ex 33:20:
Jehovah God is speaking w/ Moses & says
"You are not able to see my face,
because no man can see me and yet live."
YOU are Right!
Jesus was a perfect reflection of his God & Father.
Jesus is a God, even a Mighty God,
but Not the Almighty God.
Time & time again, Jesus refers to his God & Father as a seperate individual.
Jesus said, "You say I blaspheme bc I say I am God's Son."
He was speaking to the Jewish religious leaders.
He asked Peter "Who do u think I am?"
Peter responded w/
"I know you are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
When Nathanael 1st comes to Jesus,
from under the fig tree, he says to Jesus "Rabbi
[meaning teacher] you are the Son of God,
you are the King of Israel"
John the Baptizer says (w/in days of Jesus' Baptism)
"I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven,
and it remained upon him. Even I did not know him,
but the very One who sent me to Baptize in water said to me,
'Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining,
this is the one that baptizes in holy spirit.'
And I have seen it, and I have borne witness that this one is the Son of God."
When Nicodemus came to see him @ nite, Nicodemus says "Rabbi, we know that you as a teacher have come from God; for no one can perform these signs unless God is with him"
At Jesus' baptism, God's own voice is heard from heaven, saying "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved."
And many many more, conversations and times, he is clearly identified as Gods only-begotten Son.
Jesus is the Son of the Living God, YHWH aka Jehovah, the One True God.

The ppl that Willfully, adhere to the claim that Jesus is God Almighty,
Are speaking against the holy will of God.
And this my fellow bretheren, Is Blaspheme!!!
It is Disrespectful of God Almighty, and His own special Son,
Jesus and the ransom sacrifice provided by Jehovah God & Jesus himself!