Christians you are CORNERED once and for all!!?

Question

"You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]
Ok, God planned each of your days as proven in the verse. You Christians, however, will say that God just numbered our days not saying what will happen during the interval. So if birth is destined by God then abortion is God's plan. If Sussie was killed by a murderer it was God's plan using the murderer as a puppet. If Ken died by cancer it was God's plan. So why do you Christians condtradict yourselves by praying for safety or being against abortion? No amount of prayer will change anything anyway. Why pray? Whether you pray or not the child will be aborted, Sussie will be killed, and Ken will die of cancer anyway. You can't mess with God's plan(that would make him not so divine eh?) The verse is clear so don't twirl it around. Focus on my question. WHY PRAY IF GOD ALREADY DESITNED DEATH AND BIRTH?

You contradict yourself when praying for remission of cancer for Ken since God has his plan ready and you can't mess with it. No prayer can change God's plan since that would make God not so wise and divine

Answer 1

There is a complete difference between knowing and affecting. God lives outside of time, and therefore is able to see and therefore know everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen. However, he doesn't cause evil things to happen.
Because of free will, God has allowed people to do things, good or evil. Evil people murder other people. God may know that those crimes will happen, but God neither condones those actions, nor does he cause them to occur.
Someone killing another human is not "part of God's plan," but God does use all things for his good.
If you believe in an all powerful God, you must believe that he has the ability to change events if he wills. Therefore, prayer has an effect. We can't mess with God's plan, but who are you to assume you know what that plan is? For all we know, God's plan involves prayer to prolong someone's life.
Also, Prayer doesn't "mess with God's plan." God's mind can be changed on subjects. Read Genesis chapter 18, how Abraham pleads with God to spare Sodom if there are righteous people in the town.

Answer 2

Very good. And now the wimpy Christians now say that the Devil or sin interfered...stuff which God put in the universe in the first place. So what then? Is there something that an omniscient God couldn't account for? Maybe God was only a teen-ager when he designed our universe, Universe #76233, and didn't know enough to avoid the pit-falls of introducing evil accidentally in the universe so now we are stuck here, unlike the evil-free Universe #68772, where all farts smell like lilacs and every young man and woman looks like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie and where they never needed the Atkins Diet?

Answer 3

I think Calvinism provides a far better answer that Arminianism. I asked the same type of question with my pastor this afternoon along the lines of whether anyone should be praying for anyone's salvation. For the Arminian, they may as well be praying to Uncle Joe since God can only sit on the sidelines and watch. For the Calvinist, God has already decided whether this person will be saved or not. Therefore no reason, from any angle, to pray.

My answer was this: Pray anyway. We are not so privy to God's will that he would not want his own to be communing with him in this manner. As our biblical example, Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane for the Father to "take this cup from me" knowing full well that the Father's decree would be carried out regarding his crucifixion. And what did Jesus do? He simply added, "nevertheless, not my will but thine be done."

If Jesus had no reason to pray, but prayed anyway, I think that was a powerful message to those of us who follow him. If we ask amiss, so be it. Pray anyway.

Answer 4

if God plans that Ken dies of cancer, it's because he's witnessing through ken. it's not like everyone in the whole world is going to be healthy, otherwise no one would die and the world would populate so much people would be falling off of it from not having any room! if Susie dies from being aborted, that was the potential mother's fault. Murder is not in God's plan for life, we choose the sins that we comit. He does not. When Eve got tricked by the devil into eating that forbbiden apple, she CHOSE to offer it to Adam and Adam CHOSE to eat it. And when God sacrificed his only son for our sins, that was HIS choice... so praying for safety, forgivenes, and help isn't stupid, pointless, or unhelpful. God hears them all, and all in good time, things will go the way God has them planned, Everything happens for a reason.

Answer 5

Yes, That is what Calvinism was all about. It is still part of the American Fundamentalist style of religion. Saved by grace and not by works etc, etc,
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They will pray for you. Hmmm, can you feel them prayers workin, do you toes tingle from them prayers, eh, better watch out, they are praying at their God about you. WHOOP there them prayers go, straight off to the Holy Switchboard Operator in the Sky. Good thing God has call waiting.

Answer 6

Hey lids, quit being an idiot. Even if "fallen man" had created sin, god would still know before it happened. Was god on a lunch break when Eve ate from the magical tree of knowledge? he is omniscient, so even "fallen man" was subject to the same type of paradox. Every act of evil in the world is god's will because he allowed it to happen, and "god's will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven". That is, if you're foolish enough to believe that crap.

Answer 7

I am skeptical myself: after all, if each day is already recorded, then why the "day of judgment" (or "reckoning") Christians say we will undergo when we die? Wouldn't God already know what we did or didn't do? Why review it? LOL!

I do believe we have a Creator...I am a spiritual person..but when it comes to the Bible, I am more than a little skeptical...after all, the Bible was written by men (who claimed to be inspired by God)...but how do we really know who is inspired and who tells the truth, or who is lying, or unknowingly misleading?

I think the only "truth" I can believe unquestioningly that comes from the Bible is the Ten Commandments...and only because they strike no wrong "chords" in me when I read them...they do seem to be an effective formula for living amongst one another in peace. And I believe that attaining "peace" is true spiritual evolution. The Biblical accounts seem to create more chaos and adversity than they do peace, love, acceptance and spiritual unity.

Just my humble opinion...

Answer 8

Boy are you goofed up. God has His plans but he gave us a free will. If we obey Him the baby is not aborted. But if we go against His will for us then we can do whatever we think we are big enough to do. And suffer the aftermath of those decisions! David in Psalms is writing about his life and his personal walk. If you like Old Testament then try this on "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"

Answer 9

What kind of bible are you reading. That is not what the bible even says. How about you get a real bible first and then read again, it says nothing of the sort about days being scheduled. It is talking about God know his body when he is being made in the womb. So quick to throw out the cornered for all verse friend you will never corner a learned man of God with the Word of God cause you cant, it is infallible.

Answer 10

He wants us to pray for things He already knows about because He wants a relationship.

Understand the difference between a paradox and a contradiction. Maybe then you'll stop contradicting yourself.