Dont you just hate it when you get some religious people knocking on your door and wanting to save you from the fire of hell. I got a knock from a christian denomination (man and woman) who came inside my house to discuss christianity and what it means. After listening to them i asked questions and pointed a contradiction in the bible relating to Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. It is clear that Ishmael is the oldest son of the two. But in the bible - God says to Abraham - take your ONLY son Isaac and sacrifice him. But Isaac wasnt his ONLY son - Ishmael was his son too.
This is just one example that i gave them in regards to many. Now i told them that it is aparent that SOMEONE throughout the 2000 years of christianinty has been tampering with it and has changed the message to suit their own needs thus the claim that the bible is not the same as the one sent 2000 years ago. When i pointed this out to them - they thanked me for my time and made excuses to leave. What do you people think?
2007-08-03 12:39:20 · 16 answers · asked by Den 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I wanted to enter into a debate with him but he knew that i was well knowledged in this as i have been taught in schools and through my own interest - why didnt he saty and convince me?
2007-08-03 12:45:52 · update #1
ByhisGrace: No matter who the mothers were - they were both his Sons - EQUALLY
2007-08-03 12:51:37 · update #2
you cant convince someone that doesnt have a heart to be convinced ... and ishmael was a son of a concubine and not of his actual wife ..
2007-08-03 12:51:59 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
I don't know Hebrew yet, but I hear the word meant "unique". The same thing goes with John 3:16 in the word "begotten". "The only begotten son", when we are all supposed to be children of God? Yet the Greek word (I did learn Greek), it meant "unique". So although I do not know Hebrew yet, I don't have a problem with that scripture either. I used to use it as a means to show errors in the Bible because I too realized that Ishmael was also Abraham's son but here it calls Isaac his "only" son. Now that I saw the New Testament had the same "only" son verse meaning "unique", I can guess this verse also means unique. Besides, Ishmael was not regarded as a legitimate heir in the scripture and was not even in the picture anymore, so Isaac was technically the only one with Abraham.
2007-08-03 20:18:44 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Nobody disputes they were both his sons but by law they were not equally his sons. Isaac was recognised as his son because he was born through marriage. Ishmael was the son of a concubine and did not share in his inheritance. God said that He would build a nation through Ishmael but His chosen people would be the descendants of Isaac. You are thinking in terms of modern laws which didn't exist then and God Himself made Isaac Abraham's heir.
2007-08-03 20:04:13 · answer #3 · answered by lix 6 · 3⤊ 0⤋
They could well have been JW, they often do that door approach; christian denominations who are more orthodox in belief don't normally try those kind of high-pressure techniques.
But they must have realised that you had absolutely no real interest and decided not to waste time.
As far as God was concerned, to begin His salvation purposes, and for the sake of prophecy, He probably made that declaration "take your only son", which seems technically incorrect. The whole Mount Moria episode (Jews regard that as Mount Zion in Jerusalem) is actually prophetic, and shadows God sacrificing His only son 2000 years later. When Isaac is nearly sacrificed God says I will provide the sacrifice, which he did later on. Just as Jesus was crucified outside Mount Zion, a goat caught helplessly by its horns in a tree is got from off the side of Mount Moria. The whole episode is very prophetic.
2007-08-03 19:49:35 · answer #4 · answered by Cader and Glyder scrambler 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Well, God recognized Isaac as Abraham's only son, because he was born of Sarah, his wife, and Ishmael, was born of Sarah's maid servant. It is not a contradiction! you need to know the Bible before you make accusations. It's because you didn't understand what God meant!
Isaac was the one whom Abraham's seed was to be blessed, which God promised him he would have many descendants. The line had to be kept pure. So, that would be through Sarah and Abraham.
2007-08-03 19:50:30 · answer #5 · answered by byHisgrace 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
I do not hate it when they knock on my door. When I do not feel like discussing, I tell them so. If they insist, I slam the door. If they put a foot in the door. I have a sharp pointed hammer waiting for them.
The few times I let them in, I try to sell them my old vacuum cleaner at a friendly price.
Next time do not let them in, so you do nor have to complain here.
Have a nice day.
2007-08-04 13:39:36 · answer #6 · answered by kwistenbiebel 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
he meant 'only son' because Isaac was the child of the promise, not Ishmael.....truly there are no contradictions when one properly undertsands the Jewish roots/meanings.
2007-08-03 20:47:59 · answer #7 · answered by Granma Cha-la 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
sounds like J W's I had a couple of them come to the door, they tried the 'we think mankind is destroying the environment' card. odd opener i thought, but when i agreed with them, they seemed ruffeled and beat a quick exit. think it works like call centers, if you deveate off THEIR script, they can't cope and stretch for the Esc button.
2007-08-03 20:48:28 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I like to have discussions with them. As far as your contradiction, I would disagree, by context, but that is a different question.
2007-08-03 19:45:34 · answer #9 · answered by RB 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Where these Christians Jehovah's Witnesses?
2007-08-03 19:45:40 · answer #10 · answered by Clay 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋