The Trinity? not a bible truth?

Question

The whole reason Jehovah commented that he was One God was for the purpose of bringing back the Isrealites to the relization that he was not to be likend to the Egyptian gods that always came in sets of threes. he was a single entity.He did not want his people becoming converted into believing in a diety godhead like the Egyptians. Which is what many are doing today that claim to worship Jehovah the god of the bible.They still push the belief of a trinitarian god on Jehovah.
sad.
this is not really a question but an observance of how some of you may respond.

Tuberoot,
David wrote 45:6 It is a song of davids expression in the power justice and mercy of Jehovah and what the Gods coming Kingdom will bring to mankind.
Thank you for your comment

I read all the comments so far. interesting points
keep em coming.

Marysia,

You are very zealous.
thank you for commenting

I see much of the same scriptures that Christian fundamentalist used 20 years ago. John1:1 John 3:5, Matt 28:19. These have been refuted many times over in publicly held debates.The trinity please?

Actung_Heiss,
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Very good YXM, Very good indeed!

Answer 1

Really, witnessing about Jesus is impossible without witnessing about Jehovah (and His Messianic Kingdom).

(Acts 20:21) I thoroughly bore witness both to Jews and to Greeks about repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus.

(Acts 28:23) And he explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the kingdom of God and by using persuasion with them concerning Jesus from both the law of Moses and the Prophets

(Romans 3:21-22) God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ

(Revelation 1:2) Bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave


Interestingly, it is the very concept of "bearing witness" that proves that Jehovah and Jesus absolutely MUST be two distinct persons. Jesus reminded certain Jewish troublemakers that the Jewish law required judges to accept the testimony of two distinct persons, but the word of just one testifier was insufficient.

(Deuteronomy 19:15) At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good. [See also Deut 17:6]


When the Pharisees tried to protest that Jesus' claim to be "the light of the world" must be rejected as the claim of a single person, Jesus reminded them that a distinct, separate person confirmed Jesus' own testimony:

(John 8:17-19) Also, in your own Law it is written, ‘The witness of two men is true.’ I am one that bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”


Clearly, such clear logic on Jesus' part would have been significantly muddied if Jesus himself were also claiming to be God. The Jews knew that Jesus never taught that he was God, but rather that Jesus was a separate and distinct person, the Son of God.

Jesus himself is spoken of as a Witness. Just like his first-century apostles and his modern day disciples, Jesus was and is a proud and courageous Witness of Jehovah.

(Revelation 1:5) Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness


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Answer 2

if you would like to read some Scriptures: Mt 28:19 where Christ tells to go forth to all nations baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
another favorite is when a priest ends mass and quotes 2 Cor 13:14 The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Love of God and the communion/fellowship of the Holy Ghost be with you all.
1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Genises, God said, let US make man in OUR image, etc. etc. God is a trinity. And Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" and "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." And when Thomas saw him after the Resurrection, he said, "My Lord and my God."
Now lets take old to new….
OT – the grass withers, the flowers fade but the word of our God lasts forever (Is 40:8)
Jesus – heaven & earth will pass away but MY words will never pass away. MK 12”31
OT – remember to keep the Sabbath day Holy…. The seventh day is the Sabbath of the lord, your God (Ex 20:8-9)
Jesus – The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mk 2:28
Then you can continue comparing with Ex 20:12 to Mt 10:37 –where Jesus places Himself above the most basic human relationship we have on earth. Then Ex 20:13 & Mt 5:21-22 and even Ex 20:14 compared to Mt 5:27-28.

Mt 3:16-17
Mk 1:10-11
Jn 14:17
1Co 12:4-6, 15:28
2Co 3:17, 4:4, 13:14
1Th 1:1
2Th 2:13
Heb 1:2-3
1Pe 1:2

God told us - do not kill. throughout the bible this is also stated plainly and openly. while the word abortionis not in the bible, the concept is plain.

God taught us to be teachers to bring people to HIm. Jesus told us plain as day to go out and be fishers of men. did he mean with fishing poles - no, not at all - it was a concept. did He say to use a computer - definately not as that word is not in the Bible - but the concept is surely there.

Answer 3

The three persons of the Godhead are, mentioned in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:

"I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

Then there is the baptismal formula:

"baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19).

One God -- yet three persons, notice how it says "in the NAME of", not "in the NAMES of".

That Jesus, as the only-begotten Son of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8).

Some cults falsely teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal divine influence of some kind, but the Bible teaches that He is a real person, just as are the Father and the Son. Jesus said:

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come" (John 16:13).


God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.

Answer 4

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the trinity.
I know those people and that is not one of their teachings.
They believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as his only begotten son. Then by means of him all other things were created.


(Colossians 1:15-17) . . .5 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

Answer 5

There are many clear statements in the Christian Bibles about The Truth of the existential Trinity of

GOD the Universal Father Person
GOD the Eternal Son Person
GOD the Infinite Spirit Person

The Trinity is the INFINITE ABSOLUTE UNION and ONENESS of the Three Persons of this ONE GODHEAD

Even in the Old Testament your will find the words

"ELOHIM" (The Gods, plural) about 2500 times

"ELOAH" (God, singular) only about 250 times.

Thus, even way back about 4000 years ago, at the city of Ur, Melchizedek came down as a High Assistant to Jesus Christ and taught Abram (he then changed his name to ) Abraham, and other Jews there the ELOHIM Trinity Truth. The Jews then rejected Melchizedek;and they later also rejected Jesus ; and then you know what happened to them in AD70, and so on. Today, more spiritual Jews are now believing in Jesus as our True Savior!

If there are any serious Christian Theologians, Bible scholars, and/or Truth-seekers here who want several hundred pages of further developing Trinity Theology, in the public domain, please email me.

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Answer 6

Then who was God talking to when He said this:
Psalm 45
6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

Was David admitting to being a God? Or was he mistaken in calling God 'your God'? Or was he stating the truth: That God is more complex than a simple mind can conceive?

Answer 7

Not biblical? Then who was Jesus referring to in this passage, when he pronounced the great commission on the apostles?:

Mat 28:16 And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And seeing him they adored: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

And what about this simple and absolutely perfect mathematical model of the Holy Trinity?:

1 X 1 X 1 = 1.

Your rationalization was flawed from the start.

The first reference to God in the Book of Genesis refers to a plurality of persons in the creator God.

The Trinity is merely the name Christians use to describe that which was revealed by Jesus Christ, taught by the apostles, and which has always been a dogma of the true church.

Answer 8

The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).


The Didache


"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).


Ignatius of Antioch


"[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God" (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).

"For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit" (ibid., 18:2).


Justin Martyr


"We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein" (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).

Peace and blessings!

Answer 9

True, unfortunately these truth's escape the minds of trinitarians. Formula's..this is a accurate formula for them..tell me if im wrong... Monotheism (1 God) = Polytheism (3 gods) but yet it EQUALS = Monotheism (1 God)...Honestly (make up your minds)...I thought christians are a Monotheistic faith.. they claim these three entities are ALMIGHTY!!!..thats three gods!( Umm..did i hear PAGAN back there)..its crazy because when jesus was about to get stoned to death for saying "I and the father are one" (john 10:30)..(32) "Jesus answered them, many good works have i shewed you from my father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (33) Jews (Religous Scholars that were going to kill him) answered "for a good work we stone thee not ( so then, why?) religous scholars replied..."because that thou being a man makest thyself God"...Read that part GOD, Almighty of course..this is in my opinion the perfect i mean ABSOLUTE perfect time for jesus to explain his divinity with regards to a trinity, why?..because God forbid! you disagree with the Trinity Doctrine. Because it is essential of the so-called "christain" / so-called "faith"..yet he doesnt!!.. he goes on (35) "If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken"..(thats true the bibles uses the term "God" or "Gods" for other things) Moving forward, Jesus instead (DougLawrence) rationalizes with them saying (36)"...Thou blasphemest; because i said, I am the SON (inferior) of God?..can you imagine folks thats it, thats all he says..he doesnt break down the trinty at all... Personally reading John Chapter 10 refutes the trinity all by itself..and all Trinitarians are left with are bits and pieces hardly if ever going along with context of so-called proof texts. there just fractions of text picked up and thrown into a puzzle(Trinity) they know wont fit ...This seems interesting:
"Brother_Dave001; If there are any serious Christian Theologians, Bible scholars, and/or Truth-seekers here who want several hundred pages of further developing Trinity Theology, in the public domain, please email me...jesus didnt say we needed to be arrogant bible scholars or professional theologians for a thirst to show people a piece of paper..because if he did his followers failed!..they were ordinary folks (commoners)...
Thats my Two Cents.. Peace Everyone.. I have more too but got tired of typing...
Peace Everyone...

Answer 10

If you read the Bible in all of it's fullness, then it's easy to believe in the Trinity. As to some of the things you said, consider this:

Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Notice the word "Godhead" here. If the fulness of the Godhead dwelled in Christ, then He was obviously God, Son, and Spirit. Don't you believe that God is God and that Jesus is God and that the Holy Spirit is God? Just like you are made up of a body, spirit and soul, God is personified in at least three parts as well.

John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Just contemplate this one and go read it in context.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Who's name should a person be baptized in? God's name only, of course. So, why would Jesus command that we be baptized in these three names of God if they weren't all His names.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." And, this verse is obvious. We know Jesus Christ is the word of God made flesh and dwelt among us. And this verse says that the Word was in the beginning, therefore the Word=God. The Word was God. Word=God The Word was with God. Word=God.

Our Lord is one Lord who happens to have at least 3 personifcations. Father, Son, Holy Spirit = God. End of story. Peace.