its not clear if there even is one imo ... im ready either way ...
2007-08-03 09:46:37
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answered by Anonymous
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The rapture of the church is a teaching that has come about from the 1800's and was not adhered to by the original believers in the Bible. It is a deception to believe God is going to remove us out of the earth when the Bible plainly states:
2 Timothy 3:12, "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
1 Corinthians 15:52, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
(this is a "catching away" of the believers who are still alive at Jesus' second coming)
You can see clearly if you will only open your eyes that God indicates that time will be NO MORE at the LAST TRUMP!
Revelation 10:6, "And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be TIME NO LONGER:"
Revelation 10:7, "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the MYSTERY OF GOD SHOULD BE FINISHED, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
Revelation 11:15, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
{{Alright Christians, when will rapture occur?}}
The "catching away of the saints" will occur at the LAST TRUMP!
Now some who interpret revelations believe that The seals, trumpets and vials will occur consecutively--that means--as they are written. That would mean that the LAST TRUMP would occur Mid-tribulation.
Some interpret all three events---the seals, trumpets and vials to occur concurrently---that means at the same time--if that is true then the LAST TRUMP would occur at the End of the tribulation.
There is NO WAY the Last Trump occurs prior to the the first trump, the second trump, the third trump,the fourth trump, the fifth trump, or the sixth trump. That's just common sense. It is an ABSOLUTE deception that the LAST TRUMP is going to sound BEFORE the others sound first.
Think about it.
2007-08-04 05:20:20
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answer #2
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answered by steinbeck11 6
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Pre-trib.
The main argument is that those in the tribulation period will know the day or hour because the tribulation is a set period of two sets of three and one half years. The crux of the rapture is that you will not know the day or the hour. Since we are not in the Great Tribulation now, then the rapture cannot happen today, correct? Will we be guilty of being like the unjust servant who boasted, "My Master delays His coming!"? (ref Matthew 24:48-52) Seems to me that saying anything else but pre-trib is suggesting that our Master has delayed His coming.
And BTW, the "Last Trump" is a Jewish term for the Feast of Trumpets. It has nothing to do with the trumpets in Revelation.
You also need to know what is hindering the antichrist from coming to power...
http://www.schneblin.com/studies/pdfs/who_is_the_he_that_hinders.pdf
As well as knowing why there needs to be a rapture at all...
http://www.schneblin.com/studies/pdfs/seventieth_week_of_daniel.pdf
2007-08-03 10:04:23
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answer #3
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answered by Anonymous
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it does not make experience for the bride/church of christ to pass in the process the tribulation. There are different thoughts, the place God helped look after his human beings from the different destruction occurring in the international. i've got confidence there is extra info in the bible pointing to pre tribulation rapture, yet i won't say for specific. no remember what, you have been made for a time and purpose, and what could look an prolonged 7 years, would be not something while in comparison with eternity. That pronounced, i think of the church would be raptured up earlier, a minimum of for the actual believers in Jesus. Then all hell will destroy unfastened. this could be a scary time, and a few won't have confidence the bible became perfect, until that component. the forged information for the lost, is there'll nonetheless be time to repent, basically it will be an extremely frustrating highway for them. nonetheless, they could desire to be good, and comprehend they rejected the actuality, and settle for God earlier its throughout. guy can basically kill the actual physique. We have been made for plenty extra beneficial than we even comprehend.
2016-11-11 03:25:11
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answered by sanderson 4
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Rapture is a heretical doctrine.
Give it the thought it deserves - none!
Here are the verses that give events and note the signs and tribulations have been occurring for 2000 years.
1.) False prophets (deception)....... Matthew 24:3-5 ....... Revelation 6:2
2.) World wars .................................. Matthew 24:6-7 ....... Revelation 6:3-4
3.) Famines ........................................ Matthew 24:7 .......... Revelation 6:5-6
4.) Pestilences (disease) ................ Matthew 24:7 ........... Revelation 6:7-8
5.) Persecution (Tribulation) ..Matthew 24:9-13, 21-22 ... Revelation 6:9-11
6.) Heavenly signs ........................ Matthew 24:29 ......... Revelation 6:12-17
There is a great falling away and then you will see the apostate where it ought not be. Thessalonians>
2007-08-03 11:42:46
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answer #5
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answered by troll to troll 7
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We get to vote?
Well, then, buckle up.
The rapture, in the sense you speak of it, is a Jesuit lie.
Rapture/raptor, is a flesh eating animal which will gorge itself on all those who are taken (die), while the ones left are the elect of God.
I know, the truth is amazing isn't it? Somebody should really get you a glass of water. Oh, and some study notes from someone other that your mind controlling Jesuit originated pseudo christian writers.
Or
We could just get Hal Lindsey on the line to calm you down since he's always been so right and all with his predictions.
Wait a minute...........
2007-08-03 09:51:36
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answer #6
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answered by Notfooled 4
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We are in the last church age before the return of Christ.
We are the Church of Laodecia, described in Revelations.
The exact date..no one knows.
I believe the bible is clear, that the church will be taken out of the earth before tribulation events occur.
2007-08-06 06:28:24
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answered by Eartha Q 6
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It has to occur about a Twinkling of an Eye, Right befor we Leave! :)
I would have to guess somewhere befor Mid-Trib.
Why?
Because we Have to Leave so that the Anti-Christ can Rule and Reign. If we are Still here, the Power of GOD comning out of us will keep the "All Hell" from Breaking Loose.
Plus, we are comning Back 7 Years Later.
So don't give all of your Stuff Away :) !
2007-08-03 09:53:00
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answered by maguyver727 7
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No one knows for sure, only God. But I can tell the end is near. The sayings in the book of Revelation are already happening. Everything else in the Bible has already happened except everything in Revelation. I am ready, and I hope you are also.
2007-08-03 10:21:37
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answer #9
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answered by ♀VANshee 7
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Break down the scripture,and you will see the rapture will occur before the tribulation.Asked the same question myself.Had to do the very thing I suggested to see for myself,but don't take my word for it.
2007-08-03 09:50:48
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answered by Derek B 4
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The Bible says that the rapture happens at the end of the world.
“Another parable put He forth unto them, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, ‘Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?’ He said unto them, ‘An enemy hath done this.’ The servants said unto him, ‘Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?’ But he said, ‘Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.’’” (Matthew 13:24 – 29 KJV)
Now that is an interesting story, and it can be a little confusing; fortunately, because the disciples found this story a little confusing they also and asked Jesus to explain if further. Because our God is not a God of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), Jesus explained what this parable meant.
“Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, ‘Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.’ He answered and said unto them, ‘He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.’” (Matthew 13:36 – 42 KJV)
A closer study of this parable would seem to completely disprove the theory of a secret rapture of the church. Let’s take a look at what Jesus had to say about the time of the end through this parable. There are two groups on the earth represented by the wheat (the good or the church) and the tares (the evil). The workers of the field (probably representing angels) are troubled by the tares that the evil one (the devil) has planted. They ask the farmer (Jesus) if they should gather the weeds now and purify the field (the world). The farmer (Jesus) said that it should not happen that way because some of the wheat may come up with the tares. He then declares, “Let both grow together until the harvest (the end of the world): and in the time of harvest (the end of the world) I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” I find it hard to be a proponent of a secret rapture for the church when Jesus said that both the good and the evil will grow together until the harvest (the end of the world). How can the church be raptured, leaving the evil on the earth, when Jesus said they will be together until the very end?
There is another issue raised by this parable. Many well intentioned Christians use the story in Matthew 24:40 & 41 and Luke 17:34 – 36 as key proof of a secret rapture for the church, but if we examine this story about the end times with the earlier story Jesus told about the end times in Matthew 13, we get a completely different picture from what most Christians interpret this story to mean. Let’s look at what Jesus said in these verses.
“Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.” (Matthew 24:40 – 42 KJV)
“I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (Luke 17:34 – 36 KJV)
Now I do not think that I am wrong in thinking that most Christians interpret these stories to mean that the man taken from the field, the woman that is taken while grinding, and the man taken in his sleep are the ones that belong to the group that is the church and are ruptured. This does not seem to be a plausible explanation however. Jesus gives an order for things to happen back in Matthew 13. “Gather ye together first the tares (the evil), and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat (the good or the church) into my barn.” Jesus clearly says that the evil will be gathered first. If we take this understanding and apply it to Matthew 24 and Luke 17, we get a very different understanding. The ones that are taken are not in the group we want to be in. The ones who are taken are the tares (the evil) that are being gathered to be burned, but the ones that are left are the wheat (the good) that are saved.
There is another metaphor that many well intentioned Christians use to support a secret rapture for the church; I feel that this too is an invalid interpretation of a story.
“But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.” (Matthew 24:43 & 44 KJV)
“And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:39 & 40 KJV)
“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV)
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10 KJV)
“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” (Revelation 16:15 KJV)
Here again, most Christians would attempt to say that this metaphor of a thief in the night is depicting a secret rapture for the church. I believe that most Christians have misinterpreted this too. First, Jesus explains what this metaphor means. He says that the meaning is not that the second coming is a secret but we do not know when it will occur. If we knew what day the Lord was to come, we would get ready the day before it, but since we do not know the day or the hour (Matthew 24:36), we must be ever ready! Just examine what Peter had to say of this metaphor in 2 Peter 3:10; he says that when the Lord comes as a thief,” the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, the elements shall melt with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therine shall be burned up.” Now I am not sure how all that could be kept a secret from anyone or how people would be able to live on the earth when it has passed away, burned up, and all the elements in it have melted.
2007-08-04 12:43:06
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answered by dee 4
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