"If Atheists really understood what is written in the Bible what is said by the Prophets, Jesus Christ and understand GOD's timeline is not the timeline they understand from a mere human' beings understanding, then they would understand that GOD is so beyond thier own comprehension, and that is why they reject it?"
Well, that's false, and that's why we reject it.
Accepting a false story is not "understanding". Calling people names is not participating in questions and answers.
You're looking at instances in which people who know better than you disagree with your poorly formed beliefs, and you're accusing those people of not understanding - but you're not able to provide a single instance of anything we don't understand that you do. If you had any examples, you'd have included them here.
2007-08-03 08:09:44
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answered by Anonymous
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>Atheism preaches religious folks are so uneducated
Wrong. We don't preach, and what we say is that religious people are IGNORANT, not uneducated (there's a difference).
Your arguments also simply don't hold water. You seem to be trying to tell me that if I were to understand a certain non-literal interpretation of the Bible, then that would be a good reason for me to suddenly believe in God. You seem to be saying that somehow, the very state of God being beyond human comprehension automatically makes him exist. This is so false and invalid it's hardly even worth refuting. You have to understand that I'm coming from an atheist perspective; to convince me that God exists, you have to provide sufficient evidence that is NOT part of a Bible/God circular train of logic.
Another thing I would like to think about is just what it means that people like you decide to take non-literal interpretations of the Bible. If you take a look at it, you start to notice that this 'alternate intrepretations' thing is a relatively recent development, that has occured due to science explaining many of the things that the Bible was used to explain differently, and refuting many of the things that the Bible states in its literal sense. In other words, people like you are claiming that the correct interpretation of the Bible is somehow the one that fits itself around all the scientific discoveries that HAVE been made, but still claims that the Bible is correct in every place where it has not YET been disproved by science. This is known as the God of the Gaps argument, and it is a well-known logical fallacy. You can read more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_Gaps
2007-08-03 08:17:36
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answered by Anonymous
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No, actually I read the Bible completely many times and grew up wanting to be a minister. Unfortunately there is no evidence for the bible and Christians consistently believe any "pseudo science" spouted by another i.e. statements about how Niagara Falls proves that the world is only 13,000 (or what ever the number is) years old or that there are no transitional fossils. Granted I have met a number of educated Christians ond other religious believers, but most (not all but most) of the questions and answers presented here paint a very dismal picture of the common Christain's understanding of the world that they live in.
2007-08-03 08:16:42
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answered by Pirate AM™ 7
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I was raised on the Bible and know it inside and out. I have studied things like the Bible Code, the history of various millenialist movements, the prophecies, the problems of translation and more importantly, the interpretation of the Bible be a wide variety of groups. The Bible contains no plan, no mysteries and no secrets any more than do the writings of Nostradamus, the Baghavad Ghita or the collected works of the Teletubbies.
What humankind has achieved they have achieved through their own power, not the blessings of God, and where they have failed, they have failed from their own weaknesses, not the influence of Satan.
The only prophecies of the Bible that have been fulfilled were those written after they were fulfilled. Jesus does not fulfill the prophecy of the Messiah. He is not Emmanuel. The world did not end in 900, or 1900, or 2000, nor has it ended at any of the times predicted by man, nor will it.
God apparently used to give people signs all the time, obvious clear cut signs like columns of fire. Where are those signs; where is the proof?
Israel was created and is sustained by believers who hope to bring about Armageddon, but Armageddon has not come in the nearly 50 years. What will it take? 100 years from the recreation of Israel; 1000 years?
I know the Bible and I put myself on the side of Science.
2007-08-03 08:15:56
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answered by Anonymous
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Your "understanding" of the Bible appears to be little more than parroting the "interpretations" of the preachers who spoon-fed them to you. The "70 Weeks" has been interpreted over and over again throughout the centuries. And it's always within the lifetime of that particular interpreter. It's also always wrong. And people will keep interpreting it. Remember, to God, a thousand years are as a day and a day is as a thousand years. So the "70 weeks" are obviously 490,000 years. You can't argue that, it's as biblical as "dispensationalism".
As for re-establishing "Israel", I thought Israel (or more properly, Judah) was the people, not the land. It's amazing how fundies are trying to make their Armaggedon happen. They want to somehow force God's hand by making a nuclear confrontation inevitable. They don't actually care about Jews (how "Christian"!), they just want their scenario to play out. I was told, "Thou shalt not test the Lord thy God." But this doesn't seem to interest "end of the world" fans.
Trying to blow up the world you know to bring about a world you've never seen doesn't sound very wise to me.
2007-08-03 09:31:15
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answered by skepsis 7
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> [Atheists] understand that GOD is so beyond thier
> own comprehension, and that is why they reject it?
RIGHT ON! Gods and other supernatural entities do not pass the essential falsifiability criterion in that it doesn't admit "the logical possibility that an assertion can be shown false by an observation or a physical experiment."
Anything can be said about or on these entities. This is not only counter productive, it can be (and is, as the news media can attest) murderous.
One person suffering from a delusion is insane, but when many people suffer from the same delusion it is called religion.
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2007-08-03 08:22:59
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answered by par1138 • FCD 4
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The question isn't really a question, it is an assertion, "something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof."
The assertion is that atheists "preach" and that atheists do not understand what is in the Bible, they are "Bible inept."
Both assertions are false.
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Preaching, in the context of the question, is "to deliver a sermon" or "to give religious or moral instruction".
A sermon is "religious discourse delivered as part of a church service" and religion is "belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe."
Atheists do not deliver discourses as part of a church service in support of belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. Preaching, in the context of the question, is something done exclusively by theists.
The word itself is from "Middle English prechen, from Old French preechier, from Late Latin praedicāre, from Latin, to proclaim: prae-, pre- + dicāre, to proclaim."
And what do atheists proclaim? Nothing!
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While some atheists may not have studied the Bible, this atheist is very well studied in not only the Bible but in apocrypha, pseudoepigrapha, history and the religious texts of several religions.
More often than not, I find that atheists are prepared to discuss and critically examine the Biblical record.
While I find that many Christians are willing to quote the Bible or share their beliefs based upon the Bible, I don't find many that are willing or able to examine the merits of the Biblical record itself. From a Christian perspective, the Bible must be accepted as true as an "article of faith."
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Just a short example, most Christians regard Hell to be "the abode of condemned souls and devils," a "place of eternal punishment for the wicked after death, presided over by Satan," or "a state of separation from God; exclusion from God's presence."
The word comes to us directly from Old English hel, a black and fiery place of eternal torment for the damned. But the Biblical words translated to Hell were sheol, Hebrew, meaning a pit were dead people were buried; gehenna, Hebrew meaning a pit where garbage is burned; hades, Greek, meaning a pit were people are buried; tatarus, Greek meaning a pit were people are punished and often died; and infernus, Latin, meaning a pit were garbage is burned.
The modern Christian concepts of Hell are based on Pagan religious beliefs from European history, not the Bible.
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This atheist doesn’t want Christians to stop studying the Bible … I want them to start studying it!
2007-08-04 03:33:56
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answered by Zarathustra 2
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If we are talking about secular education, there are well educated people in both Belief Systems. A person doesn't have to have a college degree or a degree in theology to know what they believe. In fact most Theologians would probably have a completely different view of the Books (in the Bible) that you mentioned than you do---they would see the meanings of these writings very differently than the layman does---Be Blessed.
2007-08-03 08:24:34
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answered by Native Spirit 6
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Most of your arguements are unfair, you can say you don't understand because its not understandable. I could say that about anything to you, thats a pretty shabby arguement. Truth of the matter was religion came about because we as creatures on this planet didn't understand much. The shiny stars in the sky, what are those? well a God must have put them there...are we have evolved we have understood more and more. We know there wasn't an Adam or Eve and Genesis was not how it happened. Eventually we as a specific will evolve out of religion.
2007-08-03 08:15:52
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answered by gvizzacco 3
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I don't think it's possible that people can all come to a similar understanding of what is written in the bible. Don't you think that is why there are so many different denominations of Christianity each with their own "correct" theology? I would suggest that you do your own indepedent research about atheism and what atheism means.
2007-08-03 08:25:06
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answered by Anonymous
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