I give up, faith is immune to reason.?

Question

And to everyone who brought it up in the last question...

Yes of course science changes it's mind on things over time, but it doesn't entirely discard things.

Einsteinian physics don't invalidate Newtonian physics, they just give a more ACCURATE picture.

Science evolves and gets closer and closer to an accurate description of reality with time.

I have no faith. When I sit in a chair I have a hope and a reasonable expectation that the chair won't fall over. This is not faith, it is hope. I don't KNOW that the chair won't fall over, nor do I BELIEVE that it won't fall. I simply think that it is less probable based on my experience with chairs.

This is called the scientific method, not faith.

When I sit beside a dying friend I tell them I hope they will get better. I also tell them I love them. But I don't give them false promises that can't be kept like, "everything will be alright." It would be arrogant and assumptive to say so.

Answer 1

Well said, dog.

Answer 2

You're pretty smart for a dog. Mine just sits around licking his own privates.

It has been my experience that faith overwrites reason. It is reasonable to say that if there were a god (as defined and worshipped by man) he'd have made himself known to us. And not through old books from the middle east. If god cared, he'd take an active role on earth. Destroy the violent, heal the sick, and make it peaceful here. He wouldn't hide in the clouds where only a select few knew in their hearts he was real. The heart is just another word for emotion. The heart generates love, hate, ache, and various other emotions. To akin an emotion to actions of god is not reasonable.

But that's why faith was invented.

Answer 3

Yes, blind faith is immune to reason.

However eyes-wide-open faith is based on reason and isn't too far removed from what you call the scientific method as applied to chairs. In that you believe other claims by an individual because a previous one have been tested and proven trustworthy.

Answer 4

Sadly people are brought up with things like religion and pride and as such they are not easily convinced of anything that contradicts those factors. Were everyone brought up with the same reverence for the scientific method we would all be better off.

Don't give up trying to explain to people that science is much more worthwhile than religion. Do it dispassionately and softly and if you ever manage to convince one person to shy away from their crazy beliefs then consider yourself a success for you have rid one person of a mental disease.

Answer 5

Perhaps not entirely, but close. With respect to the chair, I would not call it a hope that the chair will support you: it is a reasonable conclusion, based on evidence that chair-like devices have supported you in the past and there is no obvious reason why this one should not do so. Faith is the ultimate evil: it is the deliberate rejection of the essence of one's humanity -- the ability to apply logic to evidence to reach useful conclusions.

Answer 6

Hebrews 11:1-3 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:7-9 (in Context) Ephesians 2 (Whole Chapter)

Answer 7

No. Some religions are actualy scientifical in nature. Like I've once heard Taoism to be called "the religion of observation." And science IS observation....

Answer 8

As Fireball just demonstrated, reason and logic fades with the more faith you accumulate.

Answer 9

the spirit walks with Christians and helps them understand and faith builds up over time..

Answer 10

well you have to tell them something positive, you dont want them to die being scared to death...pardon the pun.