Jehovah's Witnesses. I am curious..how many of the 144,000 have been accounted for so far, including the past

Question

ones of Bible times? How do you know , how many were of the annointed ones, prior to the JW's religion ? 100's and 1000's of years had gone by prior to this religion, so many of your 144,000 could have already been filled without your knowledge..Right?

achtung...Thats its? You always give detailed answers..whats up with this one?

Answer 1

According to the organisation's own statistics, about 8,500 Jehovah's Witnesses partook of the emblems at the Memorial Service this spring - those being the few JW's who believe they have a heavenly hope. Interestingly, we have been told that the number of JW's with a heavenly hope peaked in 1938 at 37,732. Since then the vast majority of those persons must surely have died (unless they are all over 90 years of age) - yet every year since 1938, as this number has diminished, other JW's have come forward claiming to be anointed by the Holy Spirit and have partaken of the bread and wine. Curious. If only the organisation kept more careful records - like who had died off and who had come forward - then we could do the maths. How convenient that this statistical information is not forthcoming. But they didn't expect to have to wait so long - as another answerer has pointed out, Charles Taze Russel prophesied that they would all be called to heaven BEFORE THE END OF AD1914.

However my main concern is that the Bible is being twisted here to suit the false teaching that only 144,000 will go to heaven and "the vast majority of Christians (and others) will be resurrected to earthly life". Luke 21: 24 referred to the literal destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD 70. Oh, by the way, my version of this scripture reads "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" - it does not say 'the appointed times of the nations' as the NWT translates it.

The JW claim that few candidates would qualify for the heavenly life during the dark centuries between the deaths of the apostles and the restoration of true Christianity suggests that there was NO true religion UNTIL the religion now known as Jehovah's Witnesses emerged. The hundreds of thousands of Jews and Gentiles who converted to Christianity are dismissed. At a single stroke, the hundreds of thousands of Christians who were tortured, burned alive and persecuted for their faith during the Reformation are disregarded. After the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, if we are to believe the Witnesses, true Christianity died out and we had to wait till the late 1800's before it was raised up again. UTTER RUBBISH.

The sheer, unadulterated arrogance of any organisation who would claim that they, and only they, are the true religion and that every other person claiming to be a Christian has been hoodwinked and can never be anointed by the Holy Spirit and therefore have a heavenly hope, is staggering in its audacity. What's worse, they are guilty of having mislead millions of people away from the true Gospel Message. It's a good job God knows our hearts and minds and that we don't need to rely on a man-made organisation to judge us.

Answer 2

That's what I'd like to know. The WT claims there are still about 8k left, so that means that throughout history, 136k have already been sealed.

Now, when the Apostle Paul, in Hebrews 11, lists some of the faithful men of old, he concludes in Heb. 12:1 with "Wherefore, seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is before us." Here, due to the vast number of faithful in OT times, Paul can only describe them as a "so great a cloud".

Now, add to that, all of the faithful throughout 2,000 years of history since the apostles established the church in the first century. . . . You see where this is going?

Fast forward to the late 19th century, when Russell starts the Bible Students, later known as the JWs. Now, add all of the people who believed they were "anointed" since that time . . .

I just can't believe anyone would think that all that only amounts to 144K. I know Jesus said the gate would be narrow, but. . . . gimme a break!

Answer 3

Dear Hmmm,

I am skeptical when people keep their networks private, especially when they are brand new to Y!A.

You've asked a good question.
But do you have the courage of your convictions?

I never became a Watchtower Witness but my mom became one before I was born. One of her sister's who also became a jw assured me that because Mom fit the criteria for the 144,000, therefore she was one of the annointed ones and would be going to heaven.

In case you are wondering those criteria weren't in the least bit biblical and had absolutely nothing to do with accepting Jesus Christ as her LORD and Savior. It only involved being a jw and being born in or before 1935.

About a month ago someone asked a similar question to yours and the jws said that if someone was included in the 144,000 there was no way they could lose their heavenly status.

That really surprised me because my mom now says that she is going to reside on "Paradise Earth" rather than in heaven. What changed?!

Now Mom watches all of the legal shows on TV with a passion as she prepares her comments for sitting in judgment on all of the family members, etc. who did NOT become jws.

This breaks my heart because I love my mom very much. And I know that it breaks God's heart even more than mine so I continue to pray for my mom and all of the people that she has deceived.

I hope, Hmmm, that you are also praying for them rather than just ridiculing.

For His glory,
JOYfilled

Answer 4

you in basic terms don't get it, do you? in basic terms the J-J-Jehovah's Witnesses be conscious of something concerning the Bible. they actually very own the Bible do no longer you be conscious of? end attempting to reason something and positioned up your existence and eternal soul to the g-g-governing physique and permit it do your thinking for you! The W-W-W-Watchtower makes it sparkling that: ...the Bible is an organizational e book and belongs to the Christian congregation as a company, to no longer persons, in spite of ways clearly they might have faith that they are able to interpret the Bible. subsequently the Bible can not be exact understood without Jehovah’s seen corporation in suggestions (WT 10/one million/1967 web site 587 paragraph 9).

Answer 5

The truth is, the 144,000 were completed selected by the year 1914. In other words, anyone born after 1914 cannot possibly be one of the 144,000.

Here's what Charles Taze Rusell wrote:
"...before the end of A.D. 1914 the last member of the divinely recognized Church of Christ, the "royal priesthood," "the body of Christ," will be glorified with the Head..."

Unless Russell, the founder of God's one and only true religion, was wrong...

Answer 6

As soon as someone becomes a member the person on the end gets kick off! LOL That is how they keep it at 144,000!

The 144,000 are actually 12,000 people of the 12 tribes of Israel!

Answer 7

Again the WTB&TS error.

So does Attention Hot and Attention Hot knows "he" errors but perpetuates the error.

Here is the verse that is ignored by the JW's in order to believe the lie.

Revelation 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Answer 8

God thru Christ does the choosing, only he can read the heart.

Only thru his spirit does He anoint those whom he chooses.

Jesus said the faithful slave would be alive to the end.
Jesus said the great tribulation would be cut short because of the chosen ones.

Paul said those who survived to the end would be resurrected with those who had fallen asleep.

Both Paul and John said there were many false christians living in their day.

Paul talked about the great apostacy,
Jesus talked about weeds among the wheat.

Jesus said not everyone calling him Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of the heavens.

Jesus said narrow and cramp and few are finding the road leading to life.


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Answer 9

Excellent question!

{continued at the invitation of the questioner}
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Jehovah's Witnesses believe the bible to teach that the anointed (that is, the 144,000) are selected by God from AMONG all true Christians throughout history. While the vast majority of Christians (and others) will be resurrected to earthly life, only a limited number are resurrected to heavenly life, to serve as governmental administrator (that is, "kings and priests") alongside Christ Jesus.

(Revelation 20:6) they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him

(Luke 12:32) Have no fear, LITTLE flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom [government].

(John 10:16) And I have OTHER SHEEP, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring


In modern times, there was a peak of only 36,732 Jehovah's Witnesses who claimed a heavenly hope (in 1938). If everyone partaking was worthy, that would still have left over 100,000 places for other Christians selected by God prior to "the times of the end". Interestingly, the bible calls the centuries before 1914 "the times of the nations", and explicitly prophesied that as a period of relatively spiritual darkness. It is unsurprising that few candidates would qualify for heavenly life during those dark centuries between the deaths of the apostles and the restoration of true Christianity.

(Luke 21:24) Jerusalem [that is, true worship] will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm?article=article_02.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20001001/article_02.htm

Answer 10

Harpazo = Rapture

END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY

The Messiah Lord Jesus said BIRTH PANGS would signal the time of the end (Matthew 24:8). There are NINE birth pangs, they are all PRE-TRIBULATIONAL and the 1st three already occurred.

The first birth pang was worldwide conflict coupled with famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:7-8). Worldwide conflict was fulfilled in 1914-1918, major famines happened in 1918-1921 and most of the world’s major earthquakes began to occur since 1900.

The second birth pang was the restoration of a Jewish State (Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2). This was fulfilled in 1948.

The third birth pang was Jewish control of the Old City of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2). For the third Jewish Temple (Tribulation Temple) to be rebuilt, Jerusalem needs to be under Jewish control and this was accomplished in the Six Day War in 1967.

The fourth birth pang will be the Ezekiel 38 war. Russia, allied states of Iran, Ethiopia, Somalia, Germany and Armenia will invade Israel. God will miraculously destroy the invading army by earthquake, civil war among the invading soldiers, pestilence, blood, flood, hailstones, fire and brimstone. This will bring a revival in Israel where many Jews will turn to the Lord, and Israel will spend 7 years and 7 months burying the bodies and burning for fuel the military equipment left behind (Ezekiel 39:9-16).

The 5th birth pang will be the development of a one world government (Daniel 7:23-24).

The 6th birth pang will be the splitting of the one world government into 10 kingdoms and this Ten Kingdom Stage will continue until mid-Tribulation (Daniel 7:24).

The 7th birth pang will be the revelation of the Antichrist (II Thessalonians 2:1-3; Daniel 7:24).

The 8th birth pang will be a period of peace and false security that will be shattered by the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3).

The 9th and final birth pang before the Tribulation is the signing of the 7-year covenant between Israel and the Antichrist. THIS EVENT IS WHAT BEGINS THE (7-year) TRIBULATION - NOT THE RAPTURE!

The Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) is also a pre-tribulational event (Luke 21:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 19:6-8). The fact that the Church is not mentioned in any of the Tribulation Scriptures proves the Rapture is pre-tribulational. All raptured Christians will receive glorified bodies (Romans 8:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)) and it can happen at any second.


THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 6-9 AND 17)

The Ministry of 144,000 sealed Jewish believers will bring many throughout the world to accept Christ.

There will be a powerful Ministry of Two Witnesses who will also be anointed Jewish believers.

A one world religious system (Babylon the Harlot) will rule. Under this one world religious system, many who are saved during the Tribulation will suffer persecution and death.

The Political system of the 10 kings of the one world government will continue.

During the first half of the Tribulation there will also be war, worldwide famine, death (1/4 of the world’s population will die), a huge earthquake, a blackout and a meteor shower. 1/3 of earth’s dry surface will be destroyed, 1/3 sea life and salt water will be destroyed, a fallen angel called Wormwood will make 1/3 of earth’s fresh water bitter, 1/3 of earth’s natural light sources will be destroyed, there will be another blackout and demons in the form of “locust-scorpions” will come up out of the abyss led by Abaddon their king and they will inflict harm and pain for five months upon those who are not sealed by God (unbelievers). Another demonic invasion will occur and the demons involved will be led by four fallen angels who will be released from the Euphrates River and this army will kill 1/3 of the earth’s population.


MID-TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 10-14 AND 17)

The Antichrist will war against the 10 kings, and during the war the Antichrist will be killed.

Satan will be cast out of the atmospheric heavens onto earth and will resurrect the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will kill 3 kings (the kings of Syria, Egypt and Mesopotamia) and the 7 other kings will submit to him.

The Antichrist will kill the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem and the wicked people will celebrate this event. Three and a half days afterwards, God will resurrect the Two Witnesses and take them up to Heaven and the people who celebrated will become terrified. The city of Jerusalem where the murder of the Two Witnesses occurred will then suffer an earthquake which will kill 7,000 people.

The False Prophet will receive from Satan the power to perform great miracles and will deceive many. The False Prophet will command all people to worship the Antichrist and have persons create an image to the Antichrist. The False Prophet will use his satanic powers to give it life and the ability to speak. The False Prophet will cause those who refuse to worship the Antichrist and the image to be killed.

The False Prophet will issue his own counterfeit seal known as the Mark of the Beast and it will be placed on all those who surrender to the Antichrist’s authority and accept him as god. Those who refuse to take this mark will not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this mark will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

The Antichrist will break the seven-year covenant he made with Israel, cause the sacrifices to stop, sit in the Jewish Temple, declare to the world that he is really God and set up an idol called the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple (Daniel 9:27; Daniel 12:11; Matthew 24:15-16; 11Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11-15).

Through the Antichrist and the False Prophet, Satan will attempt to destroy the Jews once and for all but he will fail because 1/3 of the Jews will succeed in fleeing into the wilderness. These Jews who escape will accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9) and while they are in hiding, God will miraculously provide for them (Zechariah 13:8-9; Isaiah 41:17-20). Divine intervention will also destroy the pursuing army.


THE SECOND HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES FOUND IN REVELATION 15, 16, 18, 19, 20)

In the second half of the Tribulation, those with the Mark of the Beast will suffer skin sores, the remainder of sea water and fresh water will be destroyed, the sun will cause terrible burns and the wicked will blaspheme God. There will be yet another blackout and persons will suffer gnawing pains.

Babylon will be the center of world economy and political system but Babylon will be swiftly destroyed by fire and become uninhabitable for man.

The Antichrist will locate the Jews who sought refuge in the wilderness and surround them with his armies to wipe them out. The Lord Jesus will then descend from Heaven with His angels and Saints. He will come with great glory riding upon a horse and will destroy the Antichrist, the False Prophet and all of their armies. After this, a loud voice will cry out “It is done!” followed by the greatest earthquake in the earth’s history and hail weighing 120 pounds will fall.

At the end of the Tribulation, there will be another blackout, the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken (Matthew 24:29), the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the eternal Lake of Fire and Satan will be cast into the Abyss and bound for 1,000 years.


THE MILLENNIUM

The Lord Jesus will reign over the entire earth during the Millennium. The Jewish and Gentile believers who survive the Tribulation will go on to populate the Millennium. Believers who died before and during the Tribulation and believers who were raptured will be present on earth during the Millennium and because they will have glorified bodies they will not reproduce. All believers will be given special tasks by the Lord Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6). There will be no wars (Isaiah 2:2-4), animals will return to the Edenic state and become vegetarians (Isaiah 11:6-9), people will not labour in vain but eat what they plant and inhabit what they build, there will be renovations in the heavens and earth and there will be righteous and unrighteous children born during the Millennium (Isaiah 65:17-25).

At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed from the Abyss and will deceive and gather the unrighteous for a war against the righteous. This will be his final attempt to destroy the righteous and when the unrighteous of the Millennium surround the good people, God will send fire down from Heaven which will suddenly and massively annihilate all of the wicked people. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire where he will remain in torment for eternity (Revelation 20:7-10).


THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT

The Great White Throne Judgment will be the next main event. The old heavens and earth will be done away with and all will stand before God’s throne to be judged (Revelation 20:11-12). Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire which will be their final and eternal abode (Revelation 20:14-15).


THE ETERNAL ORDER (REVELATION 21 AND 22)

Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will enjoy paradise with God forever. The heavens and earth will be made new and the New Jerusalem will come down upon the earth making the earth like Heaven. All curses from the fall will be removed and the earth will be inhabited by the Triune God (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit), all angels and all of the righteous. The seas, moon, night and sun will be done away with and the glory of God will illuminate the earth. The River of Life will flow from God’s throne, the Tree of Life will bear health-giving fruits and leaves and the name of Jesus will be on the foreheads of all of the righteous.


God’s Plan of Salvation for Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZkDk1GZ7do