A question for Zionists?

Question

Why do you insist on having a Jewish state, when YHVH makes it clear in your own scriptures you should not?

Gratval, most of the anti-Zion Jews (and there are many) ARE Orthodox Jews. Your scripture clearly states that you are being punished for constantly turning away from G-d, that HE has revoked your right to self-government, and that you should not attempt to restore your autonomy until HE, not the U.N., not the U.S., dictates that you should be returned to a self-governing state http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.ladah.org/article48.htm

Of course, none of you will reference the links I have provided...

Answer 1

Why are you complaining about one person who used the word Mohammadan and yet you come and want to call us Zionist and insist on harrassing us with these kinds of questions that are not fact? If you want respect, start by giving respect in this forum.

Answer 2

Well all i have to say is can you at least give us jews something?Christians pratically have America as their homeland because they claim it is religious freedom but why are there peole being mean to us just because we are jewish.

Muslims have almost the whole muslim world like lebanon,west bank,etc.They are trying to get israel.

Sikhs and hindus have most of asia.

We have a small spot about the size of new jersey a bit smaller.Think of it.Muslims owning canada and united states and south america.That is about how much land they own.You the christians owning half of russia.Sikhs and hindus owning austalia and the whole artic.Us the jewish people owning New Jersey.What does YHVH say now?

Answer 3

Is that a fact.

Interesting that 99% of Jewish scholors would dissagree with you.

Also interesting that a large group of Orthodox Jews that believe that see Zionism as part of their Jewish faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Zionism#Religious_Zionism_today.

Edit-
Three small points:
First off who is to say God did not use the UN or the British as a proxy to set up a Jewish state, dose it require a lighting bolt from the sky?

Second the current state of Israel is secular in nature anyways, while it might be Jewish it dose not follow the Biblical requirements of a Jewish state. As such it dose not violate this principal.

Third the group you are quoting represents a few thousand Jews
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/neturei_karta.htm And even other non-zionistic Jews such as Satmar want nothing to do with them because they realize they are crazy.

Religious zionists on the other hand represent several million Jews.

Answer 4

iam an atheist Israeli anti Zionist
and people here a taught from an erly age thats that the only way it should be
like that american will never think on socialism and that the state should serve the citizens, ands not the other way

Answer 5

Scripture makes it clear there should be a Jewish state and as every young Jewish boy and girl knows that when they sit at the Passover Sedar there is the desire spoken for generations that next year we will celebrate the Passover sedar in the capital city of our native land - Jerusalem.

Good Luck!!! and I hope you are never so misguided again to make such a false statement.

Answer 6

Huh?

Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

This was prophecied to the "House of Israel":

Ezekiel 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

A good question for musims is why a "prophet" like Muhammad didn't warn you that the Jews would be returning to "their own" land, it would have saved the world a lot of turmoil.

Answer 7

What you say is false. Please show me where it says in Jewish scriptures that Jews should not have a state. Could that possibly be after the Old Testament which deals very much with the concept of a Jewish state in Israel? Or perhaps after the rest of the Prophets which details this Jewish state there?
You are obviously very ignorant of Jewish scriptures, as no such passage exists, let alone one that makes it "clear". Before you attempt to challenge a groups understanding of its own scriptures you should familiarize yourself with them. Much of the Jewish Bible deals with a Jewish state in Israel, and much of Jewish Law is comprised of laws applicable only under the conditions of a Jewish state in Israel. Suffice it to say that you are simply wrong sir.

EDIT: That a small minority of Jews interpret one passage a particular way (all religious Jewish anti-Zionism is based on one proverbial passage and its interpretation) does not mean scripture says that. If that is your belief than you must also believe that Islam teaches that Muslims must kill all infidels on sight and blow themselves up killing civilians, as those are views held by a minority of Muslims. Or that Christians who use electrizity or medicine are violating Christianity, as a minority of Christians interpret those things to be wrong. Once again I say, you shouldn't challenge another group on its own scripture.

Answer 8

You're wrong. And whilst there are many non-zionist orthodox Jews there are many zionist orthodox Jews

Answer 9

The scriptures actually say the opposite.

Neturei Karta is a tiny sect of religious nuts. Didn't anyone tell you that?

Answer 10

Dude, God will never forsake the Jewish poeple and has given them the Land of Israel.