with all the insurance problems, breed bans etc. how do vets deal with the government/insurance co's/landlords asking them to sign off that a mixed dog has no pit, rottie etc in it?
I know it's very individual but do people on here know vets who either:
A) Use their discretion, if they think the dog is not dangerous or has very minimal x breed lineage and just sign even though they think the dog COULD have x in it?
B) Refuse to sign even though they know the dog isn't dangerous because it could be like 1/20th pittie, rottie etc?
Just curious as the question with the staffie mix not being a 'pitbull' mix a few ?'s back.
Curious because if it ever came down to it- could I find a vet to sign saying my 21lb beagle mix has no rottie in it despite the colours etc? All this stuff is soo crazy. I hate that vets are being put in this position (lie or the dog may die, have to be muzzled the rest of it's life etc).
2007-08-01
03:41:01
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I'm not worried about my dog yet- we're moving to Ontario Canada soon and rotties are next to go on the ban list- so the rumour goes.
It's more of a question as to what vets do in these situations in general- they must be coming up more and more lately...
2007-08-01
03:48:53 ·
update #1
We're moving to Oshawa but I grew up near Sarnia- my family's still there- I'm just in the US for school.
2007-08-01
04:02:03 ·
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mikeluvsginger- aggressive or not it doesn't matter in many areas anymore. Ontario Canada has a provincial breed on all pits, stafs, mixes including these or any dog who looks like it may be a mix of any of these. It is the owner's responsibility to 'prove' what your dog is- often by getting a vet to sign off. the Ontario ban just limits the # you can have and says they must be muzzled at all times in public. Then many municipalities have created their own total "No dog that looks like it may be any kind of pittie, staffie, etc mix can live in this town". I've heard rotties are the next to go on the list. It's sad- but you could prove your dog is an angel and it wouldn't matter.
2007-08-01
04:06:09 ·
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iluvtorofl- so when I move to Oshawa if rottie gets added to the list my 21lb lean mean kissing machine will have to be rehomed to somewhere where rottie mixes aren't banned (probably still in ON where he'd have to wear a muzzle whenever outside), or euthanized? Because my vet put 'mixed breed' on my rabies cert? That is the stupidist thing I have ever heard. I HATE these rules and bans- just because a dog has rottie colours doesn't means it's going to attack.
2007-08-01
04:51:01 ·
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The whole breed ban thing puts everybody in a bad position. I think instead of requiring vets to "sign off" on a dog, they should put the responsiblity on the owner and require good canine citizen classes or such and if the dog passes, then good enough.
There are many great dogs on the "problem breed" List, and plenty of nasty dogs on the so-called "just fine" list.
Why not judge the individual dog instead of a breed and make the owner of ANY dog prove that their dog is a well bahaved dog.
I have been bitten many times while working with rescue dogs, but not one bite has been from a problem breed. It's always been from little dogs, and scared larger non-problem breeds.
I believe in dog control in the form of making owners responsible by requiring classes or having an evaluation done by a certified trainer, but not banning certain breeds.
I think vets should refuse to do this as it could back-fire on them, and instead of endorsing that it is not a problem breed, just endorse the dog, regardless of breed and judge on the behavior and temperament of the dog.
I have to agree with DP about vets having no clue about the breed. I have a Boxer that a vet listed as a Boxer mix on their paper work told me must have some pitbull in it. What was funny is she is a purebred boxer with absolutely no pitbull whatsoever!
Then another vet put Doberman mix on my male Dobie's paperwork because of his natural ears!! And again, another purbred!
2007-08-01 03:53:48
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answered by Shanna 7
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Here, it is what is listed on the rabies certificate. If it is a mix the vet will put lab mix or peke mix or whatever. I know none of the vets around here would ever "sign off" using discretion. There have been too many pit attacks and bites within the state which brought on so many jurisdictional bans. And because each town, county, or even township has different rules it would be possible for someone to move 10 miles and have a different rule to contend with. They put on the certificate exactly what they see. If they aren't sure they just put mixed breed. In that case, it is up to the owner to prove what it isn't if AC shows up.
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And I want to second what DP said especially when it comes to the younger vets. The younger vets can't tell a dog from a cat half the time let alone know what breed it is. If someone calls AC and tells them you have a pit, you are in a really bad position of having to prove it isn't one.
2007-08-01 04:35:54
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answered by mama woof 7
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The veterinarian I work for just writes down mixed breed in the medical records if it is a mixed breed. She doesn't write down what it might be mixed with (unless it is terrbily obvious), if the owner is concerned about it. If the owner ever runs into a problem, that is when she will deal with determining exactly what breeds it is mixed with. But we don't have any breed bans where I live (yet) so we haven't really run into any problems.
I don't think you will have a problem with a beagle/rottie mix if your pup looks more like a beagle. Beagles are so sweet looking, I don't think anyone would look at your dog as an 'aggressive breed' and say you need to get it checked by a vet.
2007-08-01 04:10:02
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answered by Stark 6
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I am so sorry to tell you that with all of the vets that have done this it has now become a judicial issue. If you end up in front of a judge fighting all the way yours is not pit the judge can make the decision even if he's never seen one before.
Usually animal control is more likely to have their voice heard on a mix of breed and they are also more likely to hold the law.
I did watch my local SPCA adopt out dogs under the title "they are a little like american bulldogs only smaller" and thats all they stated about the breed and adopted them out.
I am finding that there are no officials that really care in cincinnati. It sucks because it will never be under control so that decent families that deserve to have the breed can experience it. The law abiding abide by the law while the ones that abuse, negect and use them as a status are still doing everything they did before the ban went into place.
2007-08-01 03:57:25
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answered by Anonymous
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WOW! To be honest I didn't even know that people had to get this done!! I guess if you couldn't find a vet to say that the dog didn't have any prominent signs of "typical" aggression breeds, you could probably have a temperament test done (by a professional dog handler/trainer)
While not a fan of the rottie/pitbull breeds...it's a shame to know that some poor little mixed breed mutt might get put to sleep just because it had rottie or such (even though it wasn't aggressive) *Sigh* Well, now I have something to ponder about all day :)
Have a great day!!!
xoxo
2007-08-01 03:54:22
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answered by mikeluvsginger 2
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I don't know.. I think vets generally say a dog has pit in it no matter what.. If a dog has a thick head they say pit.. Vets aren't real great at telling people what breed of dog they have unless it's real obvious, or on their poster in the back room.. Vets don't really learn much breed specific information in school... That's very apparent when you go in..
I have over heard vets telling people how beautiful their dog is, and what a nice temperament.. You should breed that dog ... They come out of the examination room and you can't even believe what the dog looks like.. Breed identification should not be left up to the vet.. And it's not fair to put them in that position.. Live or die because they had to decide what a mixed dog has in their make up ?!? How hard is that...
Edit: What area in Ontario Canada???
2007-08-01 03:55:38
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answered by DP 7
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Hello, Well, fist off CKC means canadian kennel club and if anything they would have less health issues since they are purebred. Speaking, I'm assuming that you live in Canada. I don't think you will be able to find what you are looking for for cheap from a breeder, so try looking on a local classifields or kijiji. If you are looking for a kind, gentle, sweet, intelligent, easily trainable breed, consider the beagle. They are small sized, and very intelligent and family oriented. They also make excellent sniffer dogs. They are very easy to train and you can find them for a low price. Also, they have very few generally known health issues. Just a tip, I would wait until the baby is born before getting a dog or puppy. It will be like having twins! But it's your call. Good luck with the search!
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answered by ? 3
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Most vets will not try to get into the nitty gritty of breed identification and will just label the dog as a Beagle Mix and if the landlord has a problem with it then the vet will simply tell them the breed is undetermined.
2007-08-01 04:28:09
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answered by al l 6
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I had a Husky/Collie/Wolf mix once.. the vet took the wolf part out for the papers.. (saved money on the license).. I'd imagine it's possible to find a vet to sign off on it IF it can concievably be argued that it looks like something else.. Husky mixes and Wolf mixes tend to look pretty close anyway so with mine unless you knew her you couldn't really tell.. (You could see it more in her posture.. head lower than shoulders at all times.. her eyes.. her length.. and she had the cream color of the collie/husky)
2007-08-01 05:15:13
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answered by kaijawitch 7
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i think you could get a vet to examine the dog and sign off that your dog is a beagle. you can show this and the check up results to your land lord and if they dont believe you then have them call the vet and talk to them.
2007-08-01 03:46:02
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answered by Schippergirl 2
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