Do people understand that when the ask question about evolution vs creation and don't actually KNOW what?

Question

evolution is about, that they just fuel the stereotype that creationist are morons?
Evolution is NOT random.
It doesn't prove OR disprove God (sorry my athiest friends but it doesn't. It presents evidence but nothing conclusive)
It does NOT state the ORIGIN of life, it is only how life became as it is now.
So, can we all agree that if you are going to argue evolution vs creationism that you should actually know what you are argueing about?

I know most atheist know it doesnt prove or disprove God, but I do see that posted a lot.

Oh yes Thursday I forgot to add that one in LOL

I am typo queen guys. Deal.

Answer 1

Definitely.
Another thing you should add is that evolution does not state that man came from monkeys. It says that monkeys and man both evolved from a common ancestor.
You might also mention that Darwin did not recant on his deathbed.

These are both common misconceptions.

Answer 2

Daughter of Isis there is an aspect of Evolution that is random, when the concept of evolution enters into one of its most controversial principles, which namely is mutation. Although it is invoked, much of what is said concerning it seems rather random, I have yet to hear of a good mutation, a mutation where the perfect conditions have to be required. It is random when it comes to this concept because it is through a good random mutation that one species becomes another, although through many many many years of change, but the missing links like at best don't exist and when there is a mutation of something it is nearly retarded.

But thats not your point, I agree with you overall. And the whole Idea that evolution disproves a God is completely ridiculous, maybe it disproves some random Old Testament scripture which was not supposed to be taken literally to begin with. Really all of creation is evolving towards its omega, there were laws set in motion which would be all-inclusive, effecting all things and moving all things from its alpha to its omega of completion/fullness. Some people consider God as a whole, or much like a mind that we are aspects of and we move through such a all compassing force.

Answer 3

Blasphemer! lol Sorry, couldn't help myself.

And something else, the poster L.C. is a liar. Either that, or he went into studying it with the thought that evolution was stupid to begin with. Either way, he might as well not have studied.

Most atheists that I am aware of don't think that evolution proves or disproves that any god can exist.

I hadn't thought about it further til now. But evolution not being random is right and wrong.

Its partly wrong because its random due to enviromental factors. If that enviroment changes, then that particular evolutionary track may stop. So the outside influence itself is random.

And its not random because after the outside influence is factored in, there is only so many paths evolution can take for a creature/plant/etc and still survive.

Humans, for example, evolved from primates (monkey, ape, it doesn't rightly matter at the moment). Some outside influence (something that couldn't be controlled) occured to make it favorable for certain primates to walk upright. Perhaps some mutation caused their brains to act differently and eventually expand into what most of use today.

And true, evolution never sought to explain how life began. Only what happened to that life after it came into being. A common misconception by creationists.

There are two ways to look at it.

One: A god like persona (diety or perhaps another being from a universe bigger than our own.....think MIB. As we can create things in labs, perhaps we nothing more than a science experiment to a larger being in a larger universe)....a god like persona made animals and we evolved from that.

This is the creationism/evolution combo.

Two: That some random occurance in the universe occured and what resulted were atoms and the like that would one day bond over and over again to form life......then we evolved from that.

This skirts very close to the notion that evolution dictates how life started. But there is a reason why the Big Bang Theory is not included into the doctrine of evolution. They are different....if only by a second. Big bang creates, then evolution takes over from that.

Answer 4

I have yet to see a non-theist on here argue that evolution disproves the presence of an intelligent creator.
But, then again, I have not been on here that long.
Also, in the evolution v. creation questions I've been in, many of the evolutionists blast out basic biological knowledge because a creationist wants to disprove the evolutionary theory single handedly by asking questions that can be answered by cracking open a science book. [Not to be biased in anyway, but I have seen this in almost every theist thread that challenges evolution.]
But, yes, I do agree, that if you're going to make an argument, know ALL [or at least, a substantial amount] of your facts, including the ones on the opposing side, and be prepared to make a counterargument or at least acknowledge the presence of an opposing viewpoint.
Make your high school english teacher proud. :]

Answer 5

Creationists are not morons. They are people who are intellectually dishonest. They are making a claim that "Creationism" is a science or is scientifically provable. It is not. Not only that, it CANNOT be. The reason for this is that it is based upon a spiritual idea and not on anything physical or real or provable. Creationism simply states that the universe (and therefore man) was created by god. God is a supernatural being, having no physical body, form, or substance. Therefore god cannot be scientific or scientifically proven. This places creationism completely out of the scientific field of knowledge and study. It has no place in science classes, textbooks, or scientific thought.
Additionally, we don't need to "disprove" god. Anything which has no evidence for its existance is simply taken as not existing. It is encumbent upon those who claim god exists to prove their claim, not the other way around.

Answer 6

B-b-but . . . creationists ARE morons!

That, or they think the rest of us are. I'm always suspicious it's some kind of plot to keep Americans stupid.

Decades ago, when I was trying the "Vineyard" version of xianity, the general consensus there was that yes, God created us in His image . . . and evolution was how He did it. I don't see why that's such a radical notion for some, but then, I don't understand how so many can miss the forest for the trees, either, by insisting on literal interpretations of metaphorical texts.

Answer 7

Bravo and salute but as previously stated, it doesn't always matter who's right only who's the loudest. And even if it's 100% true it still wouldn't disprove God's existance, only God's necessity for life.

Answer 8

Evolution disproves the story of Genesis. For two thousand years everyone claimed that story was literal. If the arrival of evidence forced them to change their stance on one part of the bible, then what reason do we have to trust the rest of the bible?

Answer 9

Evolution is NOT random.

Not so fast. Some parts of evolution ARE random. When stars die they emit cosmic rays, which can then knock out sections of DNA causing mutations. Most of evolution is not random, but this part of it sure seems to qualify. Otherwise, you make an excellent point.

Btw: "atheist", not "athiest", and "arguing" not "argueing".

Answer 10

Yes. That goes for any issue being argued. How can you defend or argue against something you don't completely understand?