Todays Question:about Turkish Language; please answer?

Question

1-according to new German law which recently passed, if a german citizen wants to marry a Turkish citizen,Turkish citizen has to speak at least the basics of German language.This law is not efficient to any other nations.For example if a German citizen wants to marry a Chinese citizen this law is not valid.

2-Some members of Turkish Parliement speaks more than one language,thats fine but some of them knows Turkish Language as Foreign languge.

Two different events,two different countries,two different subjects,one language

What do you think about those?Please answer.....

to bosphorus turkey;
what do you mean by Turks living in Germany has to learn German,there is no excuse.......what excuse has other nationalities have? Chinese,French,Ugandan etc.don't have to learn German but Turks has to...what kind of a thought is this? please explain so let us learn....

Answer 1

Here are my ideas:

1. Turks living in Germany have to learn German. There is no excuse for that.

2. What the Germans are doing to achieve this is best described as "pire için yorgan yakmak"... "to burn a comforter to catch a flea".

3. The official language of Turkey is Turkish, and Kurds have to know it, no matter what their political conviction is. So, for those PM's, saying Turkish is their foreign language is, "eşeklik" (being an a**, as in donkey) to say the least.

Edit: Other nations donot have the numbers Turks have in Germany. Turks have created neighborhoods, in which they can live without learning the language and ways of Germany. Because, for example, there is no Chinatown, I guess the Chinese would feel forced to learn the local language. But if you want to be a part of Germany, you have to learn the language, succeed in school, abide by the rules, and learn about customs, even if you donot live by them.

Maybe Germans weren't the politest, the best meaning host, but if you choose to stay, go to school and work there, you speak their language.That would be only fair, don't you think?

And Mertev, you are mixing retired elderly people with young workers. Retired foreigners aren't trying to exist in our economy. You wouldn't ask for temporary workers like the managers of international companies to learn Turkish for a couple of years, either. On the other hand, I've known foriegners who have come to stay learn very good Turkish.

Edit 2: It seems my position isn't very well understood. Germans didn't do a very good attempt to solve their "guest-workers who are no longer guests but permanent residents" problem. "To burn a comforter to catch a flea", anyone? They could have done better before and today. But admit it, our guys weren't the best of guests, either. Besides, like Serial Suspendee said, if somebody makes an official complaint, it has a very good chance of being "struck down(?)".

And, most of us people aren't so very naive about how certain EU members uphold human rights, either. We have been disillusioned by that a long time ago. You see, we don't expect that much wisdom from Europeans any more.

Answer 2

Sounds a bit racist to me.
I noticed some of you didn't understand what he/she is saying. What he's/she's saying is that if a Turkish citizen marries a German, the Turk will have to learn German in order for the marriage to be valid. His/Her argument is that it's unfair because, for example, if a Chinese person were to marry a German, there is no German law that states that the Chinese person has to learn German to make the marriage valid. I hope that cleared up this article.
I would also have to disagree with Bosphorus Turkey (sorry). The article never states that the Turk HAS to live in Germany. The German law states that the Turk has to learn German whether they want to live in Germany or not.

Answer 3

I can only say something on topic #1. In my opinion, BosphorusTurkey has made the crucial point why Germany took on a law making Turkish people learn the language first before they are considered allowed to marry. Case is that the largest immigrant group in Germany is Turkish. They are mostly living in their own, secluded, neighborhoods and a large amount of Turkish Germans marry someone from Turkey (called "importbrides") who only speak Turkish. This in contrast to many other -smaller- immigrant groups.
In my opinion the law is put on Turks in an attempt to integrate them better in German society. Therefor the intentions of this law must not be seen primarily as racistic'; I'm sure that the German government has the best interest at heart for these Turkish immigrants. Remember that immigrants will never be in the position to climb up the social ladder if they don't speak the language and don't participate in (German) society.
I'm sure that in the future Germany will extend the law to other nationalities too.

Answer 4

1 ) If a Turk lowes someone can learn English, German , Chinese languages in 6 mounts :)

2) The ones who say that Turkish Language as foreign language at the Parliament is the voice of terrorists and bloody baby killers. And their mother tongue is Turkish .

Answer 5

Wohhoooooo, take it easy, be calm :)))))))
Let's look at the problem now quietly.
1- In USA, if you want to become a US citizen you have to learn English. Otherwise it is not compulsory. There are millions of Latins who work there and cannot speak proper English. If you don't know good German, it is obvious that you will be disadvantaged in getting a job or a promotion. But if they make it a must by law, and only for Turks, then it is against equality and all other human rights. They should take it to court in Germany and later to ECHR. I have heard that German officials are a bit racist in some matters.
2- Some years ago the Welsh people in UK wanted to have their schools in Welsh language. The London gov. agreed to that, English being a 'foreign' language. Then the Welsh saw that their children would lose an advantage in GCE/GCSE etc exams (uni. entrance exams) against the English speaking ones. So they agreed to have education in English, but Welsh being taught at schools for those who wanted to learn it. Street signs are in both languages in UK.
UK is still one country, it's not been divided!!!
Turkey needs to accept that Kurdish is a language spoken by millions of Turkish citizens. It should be a subject taught at schools for those who want to learn it. It is so absurd to ban Kurdish leaflets, songs, billboards etc. while English or German ones are OK in Turkey. Kurdish speaking Turkish citizens will have to realize that their children will not get good grades in OSS if they don't know good Turkish.
3- Every country has one (some two) official language. Others are considered 'foreign' languages. A Turkish MP has to know this (he apologized for misunderstanding).

4- The Republic of Cyprus (founded in 1960) has three official languages: Greek, Turkish, and English. After 1974, Greeks have deleted Turkish from most official documents and road signs. They only have it on the banknotes. God knows what will happen when they switch to Euro on Jan.1 2008. We have to take the matter to ECHR.

One last word: you should be careful about double standards. If you want something for yourself, you should give it to others as well. If Germany does not change that law, then Turkey should ask all German tourists and residents to speak at least some Turkish.

Answer 6

The germans are right on this topic. Too many unqualified turkish citizens (Far more than chinese or other countries) try to go to germany by marrying turkish citizens(turks, kurds, arabs, whatever) which are german citizens. They go there because of greed for money, not the appreciation of german culture and those peasants continue their degenerate way of life there. I think they all must leave unless they can be integrated.

During my time in germany I always faced comments like "Hey, you speak perfect german and learned that in high school, there are guys living there since 20 years and can't speak german! You are not like the turks that we know!"

We have a really bad showcase in europe. Mostly the dregs of our society.

Answer 7

Herkese merhaba, I'm TheCommentus, I'm a 45 years old single man 👨 who is living in Denizli. I'm relatively new here, I usually answer questions about Turkey and Turkish people. I try to be honest all the time, defending my country and my people. I'm glad to meet everyone here :))

Answer 8

Only requiring Turkish people to speak German for the sole purpose of marriage is definitely discrimination and should be taken to a higher court! I agree that if someone wants permanent residency, he should speak good German.
Of course, speaking German, would make things much easier in everyday life but it should not be forced upon one!

Answer 9

Dear Mitot,

In my opinion, this is important subject, So I must join ...
I will give you example ...
My wife's brother is living in Germany and he was married German woman.
Before go to Gemany, he did not know any foreign language (I mean German or English ...)
After married, maybe 2 years or 3 years went to German Course in Germany. At this period, he worked temporariy jobs (1 months or 2 months ...)
When he come to visit us, always says, Tanju, they did not accept me, because says me, Suat, You can not speking German like that ... How can we accept ?

Anyway, After 3 years, he learned Perfect German and now he is working for Real Market ...

Is this bad ?
For me, not ...
We must not second person and second public in Germany or for any Country ...

Definitely, Learned their Language and we must Pass them everytime and everywhere ...
This is my thinking ...

Regards

Answer 10

I totally DISAGREE with Morticia,YoungTurk and Bosphorus Turkey,it is against Human Rights.I may choose to live in another country without learning their language.We have thousands of Germans,Austrians,other Europeans living in our country without the knowledge of Turkish.
And if its integration we're talking about Tango is done by 2 persons,%50 of the fault is ours,how 'bout the other %50?
And for the morons who has Turkish language as foreign language,they can go to hell and stay there forever.