Q for Atheist.?

Question

If you believe matter had a beginning. Explain how absolutely nothing created something.

If you believe matter is eternal. Explain how we could arrive at the current time, considering it would take an infinite amount of years. If you believe time was created from matter, explain how this happened. Or if you believe time doesn't exist, then explain that.

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Think about it. If time was eternal that would imply a infinite time line in both directions. That is impossible.

Nothing can be eternal in the dimension of time, even God.
So the question arises what is eternal, that dwells outside of time.
Well whatever this something is, it needs absolutely nothing outside itself to exist.
That disqualifies every current living thing on this earth.
So, then, what about non-living things? They don't need an environment, that's true. However non-living matter doesn't produce anything. Lets say you have a trillion molecules of hyrdogen. Then what happens? Over time, you still have a trillion molecules of hydrogen, nothing more.
But what if multiple non living substances dwelt in this timeless dimension? The problem with this is it would require an enviroment, also this timeless dimension would require the substance to remain the same.

Another question that arises is why does this something create something outside itself? Well it is obvious by now that this something is rather a someone, and has a will. It is no wonder all of creation is so cleverly designed. So through analysis we come to the conclusion that the eternal something must be God.

Answer 1

Atheism does not have any particular beliefs to it, which is what makes it great. It doesn't entail that everyone who doesn't believe in God needs to (or does) believe in evolution or any other theories about the beginning of time. Atheism simply means: "no God" - in the most literal sense of the term.

However, going by Newton's Laws, the Conservation of Matter, and the Conservation of Energy, you're right, everything needs a beginning and just because we can't necessarily explain it with a book, doesn't mean we're in the wrong, so please, don't ridicule us for our beliefs.

Second, if everything needs a beginning, how is it that God does not have a beginning? "God always was and always will be," is not a valid or suitable answer, because it doesn't explain how he came to be. Creationists love to use the watchmaker argument, "Everything needs a creator." I'd assume the same would apply to God, no?

Double standards do not make you right.

Answer 2

Nobody can explain it, not even believers ('God did it' not being an adequate answer).

The current theory is that time, space and matter all exploded from a single point. The observed expansion of the universe proves at least part of that theory.

'Explain how we could arrive at the current time, considering it would take an infinite amount of years'. Please be more specific.

Bringing a god into the equation as you no doubt would only serves to prolong the discussion, as it would then have to be explained what the god's beginning was and how absolutely nothing created the god.

People of much greater intellect than you or I are working on subjects such as these. I don't think you'll find the answers you want here, unless all you want to do is ask questions you feel are deep and then caper about saying 'See? Couldn't answer, could they? HAHA!' like some kind of demented loon.

Answer 3

I agree, it seems to me that nothing can come out of nothingness, which is an almost unfathomable notion. That is definitely not to say that I believe in any kind of God of the sort that you're probably thinking of, which you are willing to allow to be uncaused and eternal. So why not space, time, matter, energy, the powers and force of nature, the universe itself? Call it nothing more than a conjecture, or a novel idea, but maybe the closest thing to God, an eternal uncaused creator that you're ever going to find is the universe itself, or the multiverse or omniverse, if you care to call it that. The universe would not be creation, but rather the creator. As for what point in time we are at, well, you have to be somewhere, and here we are now. I'd be interested to hear more of your explanation about this. When I sit in the forest and look at the wonders of nature, I don't feel as though I'm looking at God's creation, I feel as though I'm looking at God himself - nature, its forces and the world around me.

Answer 4

Matter can be created, from high energy photons. Have you ever heard of electron - positron anniliation? The reverse process is also possible, and has been confirmed in a laboratory. Seriously, check out the link and you might learn something. Oh, and why is an infinite time line impossible? It's necessary for mathematical analysis. Maybe you should should read up on calculus as well.

Answer 5

I believe matter and energy have no beginning and no end. They only change forms. It isn't reasonable to believe something appeared into existence out of nothingness. I believe that the universe is an eternal cycle of either big bang / big crunch or collison of dimensional membranes. I believe that time is a concept that defines the human perception of the linear sequence of events in an expanding universe.
I certainly hope you aren't suggesting that a magical invisible man in the sky who created everything is somehow a more reasonable explanation for the existence of the universe...

Answer 6

Acceptance of the Big Bang is not restricted to atheists. Most people from all religions, including Christianity, accept the long age of the universe, the Big Bang, the development of the solar system after a supernova, the emergence of life on Earth and then the evolution of that life. Those who believe in gods have a god starting it, those who don't believe in gods don't have a god starting it.

There is a good essay about the Big Bang here which should answer many of your questions:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

Answer 7

You know, some of us are quite comfortable knowing that we don't know everything. Obviously I cannot explain how the universe began, or if there is a beginning at all. We can only work our way backwards from the present, and to reach the absolute beginning and beyond is quite hard, if at all possible. I am not intimidated by this.

What you are offering me instead is to assume that a sentient being of great power created it all. Since he would be part of an encompassing superverse, I naturally wish to know how IT began. I regret to tell you that you will fail to answer me this.

Answer 8

I'm no damn scientist, and many of us aren't. We just don't believe that a book, an inanimate object made out of paper, could be anything but fake. I just know that no magical beings were involved, it's a ridiculous concept.

Human kind is too small and insignificant for us to have any keys to actually ever really fully knowing. No doubt we will be extinct long before we could ever find out everything of the universe for certain.

Answer 9

God always seem to be the reason but no explanation behind it. Just one name nothing after that. Sounds reasonable to me...NOT. If there is more to it than just "god" then "it's because he made it so", "he's infinite he's been there before his time" (makes zero sense), and other ridiculous one liners. Can not forget they use questions they think that could stomp non believers and make it their point their god is real... Cleaver? not in the least.

Answer 10

Mass-energy (matter is a subset) could well be eternal. At present, there is no way to know.

It depends what time frame you are discussing. Highly compressed matter experiences time differently, and even very long times (e.g. 10^30 years) are not eternity. Esoteric hypotheses regarding time and its definition do not change that fact.