Christians that believe in the trinity SHOULD have a tough time explaining this one, since he is himself, yet his own father God at the same time right? So he was talking to himself?
I guess this proves that not only are his followers delusional, but he himself was as well.
2007-07-30 08:32:43 · 30 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Yeah they ought to have a tough time with that, but they will probably take a couple random quotes out of context to argue it, despite how irrational or futile such arguments may be.
There was another case, I think it was Mathew 16 where a kid starts praising Jesus and jesus says, essentially, "why are you praising me? I'm not god. I'm not good. I'm not worthy of worship."
Earlier had said that god was good and worthy of worship... so using a simple deductive argument based on what the bible actually says...
God is good and worthy of worship.
Jesus is not good and not worthy of worship
Therefore, Jesus is not god.
2007-07-30 08:38:52 · answer #1 · answered by Mike K 5 · 2⤊ 3⤋
The really radical position on all of this is the one that denies "Jesus Christ" ever existed. I've read up on this and while it's impossible to know for sure, I think it's more likely than not that ole Yeshua was a completely mythological charactor.
It might interest you to know that the first organized sect to emerge based around the worship of Jesus, the Marcionites, did not believe that Jesus had ever physically existed. When all the Christian sects were united at the Council of Nicaea, the Marcionite version of Jesus was incorporated into the new mythos as the so-called "Holy Spirit". It appears to have been a political compromise to get them to cease resisting and join the Roman state church (which still exists today as the Catholic & Orthodox sects). The description and attributes of the Holy Spirit in these sects are identical to those that Marcion ascribed to Jesus.
As for "God", I'm Buddhistic about all that. I'm sure there are higher dimensions of Being, but I don't believe for a second that anything like Yahweh-Allah-Jehovah exists. For better and for worse, we're on our own down here. Nothing out there particularly cares what a swarm of two-legged insects do to each other....
Nimadan
2007-07-30 23:02:05 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
When Jesus said that, he was talking to God the Father, not himself. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are not the same entity three times, but rather three parts of Christ. Just like an egg has three parts (shell, white, yolk) the Trinity has three parts, but together they are one.
Justsyd...the Trinity IS mentioned in the bible, it's one of the core facets of Christianity.
2007-07-30 08:45:02 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Sweet pea you just answered your own question, but I will explain further to you, See when Jesus was on the cross he was talking to God his father, he wasn't talking to himself at all. See when Satan is around he cringes at the name of God because he know that one day he is coming back and the devil only has a short time to rome the earth seeking souls he can deceive. Have you met Jesus, let me introduce him. he loves you and so do I. If you except him in you heart today he can and will set you free. He will make all things new for you. God loves you have a blessed day!
2007-07-30 08:42:03 · answer #4 · answered by b n real 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I'm sorry, but not really. You see, having gone to a theology class, I can answer this one. You really should check up what the trinity really means before you start calling anyone delusional.
Jesus is God, but He limited Himself when He came to earth so that He did not have full access to His divine knowledge and divine powers. Think of the trinity as having one God, but looking through three different windows at him. It's a way for humans to understand the different aspects of God, but still understand that He's one being. Each view from each window looks a bit different, but there's the same person standing behind all of them, right? It's the same way with God. In my view, Jesus was a part of God, sent to the cross to die for our sins, but I'm just a layperson here. Ask a pastor you can respect. Not one of those phonies who doesn't know what they're talking about.
I hope someone answers your question better, since I'm so bad at putting it into conrete words. Good luck in your search! But, in the future, could you try to be a little less offensive with your posts? It's rather rude when you don't fully understand the reasoning that goes behind people's beliefs. I could easily blow off evolution as delusional, but I don't. Why? Because I have respect for everyone to hold their own beliefs. I don't push anything on you, you don't push anything on mine. That's my view. I hope you can come to hold something similar yourself.
For some reason, that comment "I guess this proves that not only are his followers delusional, but he himself was as well" is about as forcing one's belief on someone else with no room left for arguing as some of those demented radicals who try to call themselves Christians. o.O
2007-07-30 08:46:15 · answer #5 · answered by Marie K 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
He was talking to God, the Father, a personage separate and distinct from Jesus Christ. It was the same Father who told Christ he was well pleased when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. It makes such logical, perfect sense that there are separate beings in the Godhead. Why would Christ pronounce he was "pleased with himself" if he and the Father were the same person? Or how could Stephen in Acts see Christ standing on the right hand of the Father in vision, if they were the same person?
2007-07-30 08:38:39 · answer #6 · answered by Kerry 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
He was actually praying. That quote is part of one of the Psalms - he was quoting scripture. In no way did he ever once think that he had been forsaken; the Son and the Father are one.
Justsyd: You're wrong - God is Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).
2007-07-30 08:37:05 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋
God had forsaken Him, as God the daddy would be nowhere close to sin, and Jesus, at that factor, the 9th hour, became taking up himself each and all the sins of the international, previous and modern-day for us. he's with Him now nevertheless, at His ideal hand, a place of honour and admire.
2016-10-01 00:58:10 · answer #8 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
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Psalm 45:7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
And in case you believe that Christians changed what the Bible says, here it is from the Hebrew (Jewish) Bible:
8 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; therefore G-d, thy G-d, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
This is the reason why Jesus (God in the flesh) cried out to His God (God the Father) while He was on the cross: "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" He was crying out to His God!
EDIT: "Mike K," you don't understand the passage you've quoted. Jesus was pointedly telling the man that He is MORE than a "good teacher." Therefore, the logical progression would be:
If He is only a teacher, He cannot be good, since only God is good; He performs miracles (such as healing leprosy) among the Jews that ONLY God has ever done (i.e. Moses and Miriam); Therefore, He is not simply a teacher, HE IS GOD.
2007-07-30 08:42:55 · answer #9 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
God the Father would never forsake His one and only begotten Son. When Jesus cried this saying, It is the equivalent of today's "Haven't I suffered enough!" God was there, He heard Him, and answered His cry, for immediately He bowed His head, and said "it is finished," and died. No, God never left His Son, He suffered right along with Him. The hours Jesus spent on that cross in extreme pain would cause any normal man to cry and beg for help, And Jesus was a normal man in the physical sense. Now, as far as "Trinity",,,,,to each his own.
2007-07-30 08:57:59 · answer #10 · answered by ? 3 · 0⤊ 2⤋
He spoke to the Father which is the deity above and beyond all things divine. Jesus was a fraction of Christ just as any Christian is a fraction of Christ but a fraction of infinity is still infinity. Christ and the Father are one as my husband and I are one spiritually, and Jesus told us that believers will one day realize that we are one with him hence the reference to the Church as the "Bride of Christ" in time we are all one. Anything that separates is not of God(us) but will fulfill Gods purpose. We await the awakening.
♥Blessed Be♥
♥=∞
2007-07-30 08:45:17 · answer #11 · answered by gnosticv 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋