A question about Sin...?

Question

If the price of sin is death, this raises some interesting questions. Holy mother Mary, carrier of the Divine Jesus the Christ, was concieved without sin (this is the famous Immaculate Conception, not, as many believe, applicable to Jesus but his mother), and was concieved so so that when Jesus was to be born she would not pass on the stain of original Sin unto the new-born saviour. Given that she was born without sin, and remained (occestensibly, being described as a holy Virgin) pure, why did she die? Further, if you maintain that at sometime during her life she must have sinned to result in her death, why did the only one who never sinned, and was born without the stain of Original Sin, have to die (we're speaking of course of Jesus himself)? The perfection of the sacrifice not-withstanding, could it not have been Mary who was sacrificed for the world's sins, since she too was without sin?

And doesn't it not make sense to claim that the price of sin is death, being that the only two who were without sin died, and were sacrificed for all sin (respectively)?

Chieko:

Depends on your translation. But they are (in this context) synonymous, it amounts to the same thing. You're ducking the question.

*sigh*

If you insist on ducking the question, and claiming it is "spiritual" death, let's take another tact. The cause of suffering is also Sin, why then did Mary suffer through losing her (arguably) only child to a horrific exicution?

Answer 1

Christians prefer "The wages of sin is death," because it's grammatically incorrect.

Anyway, the whole notion that Mary was conceived immaculately, so that she could conceive Jesus immaculately, just shows how terrified the Christian mythologists were of human biology. And she died, like Jesus died, because human beings die. Film at 11.

Answer 2

The doctrine of the immaculate conception is neither Biblical or necessary. Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. That is the Biblical concept of the virgin birth. The Bible does not even hint that there was anything significant about Mary’s conception. If we examine this concept logically, Mary’s mother would have to be immaculately conceived as well. How could Mary be conceived without sin if her mother was sinful? The same would have to be said of Mary’s grandmother, great-grandmother, and so on. So, in conclusion, the immaculate conception is not a Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches the miraculous virgin conception of Jesus Christ, not the immaculate conception of Mary.

Answer 3

She too was NOT without sin. She bare other children after Jesus. Where do you get your information? The catholic church? She conceived Jesus without sin. Jesus was the ONLY human being without sin to ever walk the face of the earth.

Also, the death that is referred to as being the price of sin, is spiritual, or the second death that is spoken of by Christ Himself. Mary died a physical death, as does everyone, for it is written that it is appointed unto men to die once, then the judgement. Since that truth is evident, then Mary, the mother of Jesus, is asleep in Christ, as are all other faithful believers, and awaits the resurrection of the dead in Christ. Ergo, that should be enough to keep catholics from praying to Mary, since she is dead, and cannot intercede for them, or for anyone else.

And to answer your last foolish question, NO ! Christ himself was sacrificed for the sins of the world, as it was written. Noone else. As for your claim that Jesus was her only child, the book of James in the NT was written by Jesus' brother, James.

Not dodging the question, Christ himself spoke of the second death after the great white throne judgement, when the wicked shall be judged and cast into the lake of fire.
Also, it was Paul that said that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Will you argue a point made by a servant of Christ that was filled with the Holy Ghost? I think you should study the Word more.

Answer 4

The original sin was that of Adams when he disobeyed God by eating the fruit from the tree in the garden of Eden. We are all decendants of Adam, therefore we all inherited sin from him. Romans 5: 12 That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned. So Mary, Jesus mother was also born in sin and that is why she died. Jesus was conceived through immaculate conception as God transplanted Jesus soul into a virgin. The inherited sin, "death" is an imperfection we all have, but Gods original purpose was for man to never die but live forever of earth, and with the comming of Gods Kingdom he will take away death forever.Rev: 21:4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away. Jesus died for all the sins of mankind as a sacraficial lamb, and to fullfill prophecies about his birth, his teachings and death that were written hundreds of years in advance of his being born and thus enabling all of us to be reconciled to God, and to sanctify Gods name (Jehovah) Psalms 83:18 That people may know that you whose name is Jehovah You alone are the Most High over all the earth.(if not in your bible check the front in the foreword or preface to show the hebrew letters YHWH in which the spelling of Jehovah was translated).

Answer 5

Your version is the Catholic teaching and not shared by Protestants. There is not a shred of Scriptural evidence that Mary was holy. The Catholic doctrine is based on decisions of church councils and the pope speaking ex cathedra. Mary was not sinless. She passed on the human nature to Christ who remained sinless because He also possessed the divine nature. True, the wages of sin is death. Christ, however, did not die for his own sins; there were none. That is why His death is an atoning one. He died for yours, mine, and everyone else's. We appropriate this grace through faith and trust that it is so. But back to Mary. She is a saint, deservedly so, the Mother of God, but one of us nevertheless. She was born, sinned, gave birth to the Savior, and eventually died. God bless her memory.

Answer 6

She was assumed into Heaven.

If God would assume Elijah into Heaven, wouldn't Jesus do the same for His own mother? Wouldn't God do the same for the New Eve, the Ark of His Covenant, His most perfect creature, the woman who not only touched God, but carried Him in her own body, nursed Him, raised Him up from childhood, prompted His first miracle at Cana, stood at the foot of the Cross, etc.? The Catholic Church is the restoration of the Davidic Kingdom! Christ is the King, His Mother is the Queen, and we are their subjects.

Mary was assumed into Heaven 2 she was taken up under GOD'S power; she did not ascend into Heaven under her own power as our Lord did! As always, the beauty of Mary's story is due to the grace of God!


The Psalms prophecied and the Old Testament Kingdom foreshadowed the New Testament Kingdom, ruled by Christ, Son of the Living God, and earthly successor of King David by virtue of his having been born from the womb of Mary, the Gevirah. In all Kingdoms of Israel, the Queen Mother sat at the King's right hand; our Queen Mother is in Heaven now, just as St. John saw her.

Answer 7

From a spiritual viewpoint the original sin was when Adam began thinking as a mortal man. This was not the real man God created. Spiritual man was. Adam fell into a spiritual sleep. Jesus had to enter into mortal mans spiritual sleep to try and wake him up.He knew he had to destroy the illusion of death. And he did. He demonstrated the nothingness of disease.The only sin is operating without God. God doesn't punish us. Sin brings its own punishment.

Answer 8

As others have stated.. it is the wages or the cost of sin that is death. (spiritual death).
You are missing the point of his death. The fact that his sacrifice was perfect is the only way his death could save us from sin.

Answer 9

First, we don't know whether Mary experienced biological death or not, before being assumed body and soul into heaven. That has not been revealed. But more to the point, it is spiritual death, not biological death, that is the result of sin.

Answer 10

Brother, you're talking to your fellow Catholics.

We Protestants who’s faith is post-reformation, NEVER have conversations like this.

We are all born to die . . . forget about sin.

With Christ, we will never die – we will be saved.

Pretty simple, really. Leave it to the Papists to drag Mary into it.