there are *no* true Christians who believe in the false trinity god.
the trinity god is the god of sun worship which began at babel with Semiramis, Nimrod and Tammuz. The Romans believed in the sun god trinity and it was forced onto the early Christians in 325 A.D. by the Roman emperor who believed in that false trinity god.
there is no trinity in any of the oldest mss of the Greek Scriptures.
anyone who is interested in the absolute truth of the matter can find it in any Bible translation or version by looking up the following Scriptures:
John 20:17
John 17:3-5
John 5:19
John 14:28
Mark 10:18
Matthew 26:39
John 8:17-18
Mark 13:32
Matthew 20:23
Matthew 3:17
Matthew 14:23
Mark 1:35
Mark 6:46
Mark 14:32
Luke 6:12
Colossians 1:15
John 3:16
Revelation 3:12
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
Acts 3:13
Philippians 2:6
Matthew 26:64
Mark 14:62
Luke 22:69
Acts 2:33-36
Acts 5:30, 31
Acts 7:55, 56
Romans 8:34
Ephesians 1:17-21
Psalm 110:1
Hebrews 10:13
Hebrews 12:2
1 Peter 3:22
Yhshua/Jesus always emphatically stated that he serves his God YHWH/Jehovah and he taught his Apostles that fact as well. Please see the following Scriptures for proof that Jesus worships, serves and subjects himself to YHWH/Jehovah in the past and present:
John 20:17
John 17:3-5
John 5:19
John 14:28
Mark 10:18
Matthew 26:39
John 8:17-18
Mark 13:32
Matthew 20:23
Matthew 3:17
Acts 3:13
Revelation 3:12
then also in the future, after the 1,000 year reign of peace under Christ,
after he restores all obedient ones to everlasting life the
following will take place in heaven:;
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
so, Jesus' own words are our greatest source of knowledge and I for one will not call him a liar!
I can not show you texts that say Yhshua/Jesus is equal to his Almighty Father and God YHWH/Jehovah because they truly don’t exist.
I can tell you that there are 4 Scriptures that supporters of the pagan Roman trinity god often use and I can try to clarify those in context with sound reasoning;
1. John 1:1 in most Bibles reads "in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god" but if you get a book on ancient Koine Greek which John 1:1 was written in, you will see that John used two different words for each "god" in that verse and a more precise translation would be "in the beginning was the word and the word was with the God and the word was a powerful being". John was simply explaining that Yhshua/Jesus existed with YHWH/Jehovah in heaven before the earth was created.
If you believe that John 1:1 means that Yhshua/Jesus is the same person as YHWH/Jehovah, then you must believe that the being in 2 Corinthians 4:4 is also the same!?!
The same Greek word for "god" is used in both
John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4
See the bottom about the Biblical use of the 3-letter word god
2. Jesus said "I and the Father are one" at John 10:30, then they picked up stones to stone him, but then he explained just six verses later that he is only "God's Son" John 10:36. it's interesting how people who choose the pagan Roman trinity god stop reading before John 10:36! then, to top it all off, Jesus says that his true followers are "one" like he and his Father (John 17:21, 22) making it crystal clear that "one" doesn't mean 'the same person', it means 'in unity'.
3. then there's John 8:58 which should be read in context. here the Jewish leaders are telling Jesus that Abraham and the prophets are greater than him. Then Jesus clearly says that he can not glorify himself, only the Father can. Then he says that Abraham rejoiced about the Messiah, to which they said 'how can you claim to have seen Abraham when you aren't even 50?' Then Jesus says that he existed before Abraham.
that is a logical answer to the Jews telling him he couldn‘t possibly have seen Abraham. However supporters of the traditional pagan Roman 3-in-1 god say that Jesus uttered God's Holy name in verse 58; how does that make any sense?
which is a more sensible answer to the Jews question of 'you aren’t even 50, how can you have seen Abraham?'
A. I existed before Abraham
or
B. Before Abraham YHWH
it makes no grammatical sense to say he was answering their question with a sentence fragment.
if he were wanting to claim to be YHWH wouldn’t he have said 'I am YHWH' instead of "before Abraham I am"
however it *was* outrageous to the Jews for him to claim that he existed in heaven before Abraham
4. supporters of the traditional pagan Roman god also use 1 John 5:7 to prove their co-equal 3-in-1 god but 1 John 5:5 says "Jesus is the son of God" and verse 6 in the oldest manuscripts extant states that he came by "water and blood". John, like all Bible writers is inspired by God's holy “spirit” to “bear witness“. Verse 7 only says "the three bear witness", the rest of the stuff in verse 7 in the KJVersions was added in the FIFTH CENTURY! Then in the oldest manuscripts extant verse 8 doesn’t have anything about "and there are three that bear witness in earth", nor does it contain the Greek words for “Father” or “Word” but it uses the same Greek words from verse 6 for "water” and “blood".
All theologic historians know those facts!
agape
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2007-07-30 09:25:41
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answered by seeker 3
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According to the Trinity doctrine, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are coequal in power, authority and eternity. But the critical question is this: Did Jesus Christ and his apostles believe and teach the Trinity? If we believe that they did, we are faced with a number of very puzzling questions.
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (See the box, “Why Are They Missing?” on page 7.) But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain.
Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know?
More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”—if the Father and the Son are coequal?
Trinitarians are quick to jump on John 8:58, where Jesus said: "Before Abraham was, I AM." Is this trinity proof? Tell me, how many persons do you see in this verse? Do you see the required THREE to complete the trinitarian godhead? I count ONE here. How many do you count?
Sunestauromai above accuses Jehovah's Witnesses of distorting Biblical truth. I would love for him to explain the trinity to me from the Bible.
Silenced Lamb (or whatever name she is using this week) is wrong again as usual. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT deny the deity of Christ. They deny the trinity. She must not know that there is a difference between the two.
2007-07-29 20:34:50
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answered by LineDancer 7
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in accordance to the Trinity doctrine, the daddy, the Son and the Holy Ghost are coequal in means, authority and eternity. however the extreme question is this: Did Jesus Christ and his apostles have self belief and teach the Trinity? If we've self belief that they did, we are confronted with particularly some very complicated questions. At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ reported: “yet of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one is familiar with, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, yet basically the daddy.” (See the container, “Why Are They lacking?” on web site 7.) yet whilst the daddy and the Son are coequal, how might desire to the Son be blind to issues the daddy is familiar with? ‘Jesus had 2 natures,’ some will answer. ‘right here he's conversing as a guy.’ And, yet, despite if that have been so, what in regards to the “Holy Ghost”? if it extremely is the third guy or woman of the Trinity, why does it not be conscious of? a chain is barely as good as its weakest hyperlink. And the “Holy Ghost” is an element of the Trinitarian chain. in addition, on an earlier occasion Jesus had reported: “no one is familiar with who the Son is different than the daddy, or who the daddy is different than the Son.” (Luke 10:22) as quickly as back, what in regards to the “Holy Ghost”? no count number if it extremely is a large wakeful component to the “Godhead,” coequal with the daddy and the Son, why does it not be conscious of? greater suitable than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has prevalent the recommendations of the Lord [the daddy] so as to coach him?’ yet we've the recommendations of Christ.” (a million Corinthians 2:sixteen) How is it plausible to have “the recommendations of Christ” and yet not be conscious of “the recommendations of the Lord”—if the daddy and the Son are coequal? Trinitarians are rapid to leap on John 8:fifty 8, the place Jesus reported: "before Abraham became, i'm." is this trinity evidence? tell me, what share persons do you notice in this verse? Do you notice the mandatory 3 to end the trinitarian godhead? I count selection ONE right here. what share do you count selection? Sunestauromai above accuses Jehovah's Witnesses of distorting Biblical reality. i might like for him to describe the trinity to me from the Bible. Silenced Lamb (or despite call she is making use of this week) is incorrect back as prevalent. Jehovah's Witnesses do not deny the deity of Christ. They deny the trinity. She should not be conscious of that there is a distinction between the two.
2016-10-01 00:31:40
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answered by ? 4
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No Jehovah's Witnesses do not bekieve in a trinity. Such a teaching is unscriptual.
Silenced Lamb wrote, "I sudgest that you put aside the re-written bible that was created by a corporation , and find the true gospel of our Lord."
Bob wrote," No, and they wrote their own Bible so that it changes verses
like John 1;1 to support their false teaching.
1 john 5; 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
What both of these writers FAIL to recognise is the simple fact that many people came to learn and accept the basic Bible teachings from using many different Bibles. My own parents did so using the American Standard Version.
Also Bob, you might want to research that scripture you tried to use to support the trinity.
Here's a starting point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum
2007-07-30 10:31:11
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answered by NMB 5
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Yeah, that's real funny, Bob. You ridiculously accuse us of writing our own Bible, and then you quote a genuinely spurious verse that someone added to the Bible long after it was written. The earliest manuscripts of the Bible do not contain 1 John 5:7. So, who's really writing their own Bible? Not us.
Nor do we "change" John 1:1. The New World Translation renders the Greek literally and correctly. The Greek sentence does not make the word theos (god) definite in the latter part of the verse, so it doesn't mean "The Word was God." Even prominent Evangelical scholars no longer argue for a definite meaning here, but prefer a "qualitative" one.
A little more knowledge and a little less bias would be refreshing.
2007-07-30 10:59:09
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answered by בַר אֱנָשׁ (bar_enosh) 6
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Jehovah Witnesses are not gullible. They not into believing anything that cannot be proved In the Bible. Same goes for Crosses & Rosaries, False Teaching as well.
2007-07-29 20:34:11
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answered by conundrum 7
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Indirectly, yes they do. One that wrote me he says: God Jehovah, His son Jesus, only mighty and the Holy Spirit, an active force. It appears he conceded it is ONE. However he has to stuck with the WTS definition. They are there but not yet.
2014-11-20 00:51:03
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answered by Mayflower 7
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No, the trinity belief is a carry over from pagan worship instituted into Christianity by the Catholic Church.
2007-07-29 20:33:03
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answered by ? 4
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They dispute doctrines such as the Trinity, hellfire, immortality of the soul, and clergy-laity divisions as illegitimate additions to the original Christian teachings.
2007-07-29 20:31:23
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answered by Ahmed A 4
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Short and to the point:
No. We believe that God is Jehovah and that he has a son named Jesus. Jehovah's active force is the Holy Spirit, which is not a person or an individual.
2007-07-30 02:21:00
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answered by Vic the Poet 3
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