In 325 (nearly 300 years after Christ's death and resurrection), Constantine the first held the Council of Nicea where the council determined (in an attempt to understand GOD) that Christ was GOD, and that Christ was one third of a triune god.
According to the trinity doctrine, "Within the one being that God is, there exists eternally three co-equal and co-eternal persons, namely the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit."
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It is said in the First Epistle of John 5:7-8: “For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.
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That is in The King James Version, authorized in 1611, and formed the strongest evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one,” has been expunged in The Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and in many other Bibles, as it was a gloss that had encroached on the Greek text.
I John 5:7-8 in The New American Standard Bible says: “And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water, and the blood, and the three are in agreement.” Also, in The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, used by the Jehovah’s Witnesses, you will find: “For there are three witness bearers: the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are in agreement.” I can understand if you don’t know that this important part has been removed, but I wonder why many ministers and preachers are not aware of this.
Can you find ANY scripture that says God is composed of three co-equal persons? Not one. How could there be when Jesus said at John 14:28: "The Father is greater than I am."
To show how some people have been fooled to believe in the trinity, the following scriptures have been submitted as trinity proofs: John 14:9; 1 Tim. 3:16; John 1:1-4; 20:24-29; John 8:58. Do these verses say ANYTHING about a God composed of three co-equal, co-eternal persons?
John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father." Do you see a trinity here? This verse only mentions TWO persons, not THREE. So where is the trinity here?
1 Tim. 3:16: "God manifested in the flesh." Where in that sentence does it say anything about a 3-in-one God? It doesn't.
John1:1-14. Too long to quote here, but again, these verses do NOT mention THREE persons. So where's the trinity?
John 8:58: "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" Do you see THREE co-equal persons in this verse? NO! So where is there evidence of the trinity here?
John 20:28: "My Lord and my God." Do you see THREE co-eternal persons making up God here? No! So where is the trinity?
2007-07-29
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no what else is NOT mentioned in the bible by name?
America...but it exist and is quite real
[ The Bible deals with concept of God not with history of the world.If Trinity is a true docterine the word should be mentioned in the Bible atleast once.
2007-07-29
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When He commisioned His 11 followers to go into all nations making desciples of all peoples, baptizing them, in NAME of THE FATHER, THE SON(JESUS) & THE HOLY SPIRIT. I count three! what did you get?!
They are three distinct persons not one.
2007-07-29
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Postmortem of Trinity
What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?
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A Protestant publication states: "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century." (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary) And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity "is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God."—New Catholic Encyclopedia.
The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity." And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]."
The Triune God, Jesuit Edmund Fortman admits: "The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the "Old Testament"] suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers."
Why many authentic Pasters, Bishops and Pops declared trinity a pagan and false dogma.
Bernhard Lohse says in A Short History of Christian Doctrine: "As far as the New Testament is concerned, one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity."
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states: "The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. 'The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence' [said Protestant theologian Karl Barth]."
Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirmed: "To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it."—Origin and Evolution of Religion.
Historian Arthur Weigall notes: "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord."—The Paganism in Our Christianity.
Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds."—The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology.
"The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the . . . Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One."—The Paganism in Our Christianity.
Why Wikipedia rejects dogma of trinity?
Neither the Old Testament nor New Testament uses the term "Trinity," though Trinitarians believe the concept is implicit in various biblical passages (see Scripture section below). The doctrine of the Trinity is the result of continuous exploration by the church of the biblical data, argued in debate and treatises.[1] It was expressed in early writings from the beginning of the second century forward.[1] The First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD established a nearly universal Trinitarian dogma and expressly rejected any heresies.
Why New Encyclopædia Britannica refuted trinity?
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
Why New Catholic Encyclopedia declares trinity, a pagan dogma?
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
Why The Encyclopedia Americana declares the trinity is falsehood?
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
2007-07-29 19:57:01
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Matt 28:19
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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Luke 12:10
10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
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Acts 10:38
38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
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True the word Trinity is not used...however neither is the word rapture (caught up)However, out of these verses I found this one to be the most interesting.
Acts 10:38... so God anointed Jesus..whom you do not seem to deny is the Son of God.. with the Holy Spirit.. and he was able to do good and heal all who were under the power of the devil because God was with him...so by a simple deduction couldn't we come to the conclusion that God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and God was with him...therefore the Holy Spirit and God were one in the same..
Oh and why would he want people baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit....if the Holy Spirit is a seperate god.. then we would no longer be a monotheistic religion we would be poly theistic, because it says we are supposed to pray to the Holy Spirit and accept the gifts of the spirit... (1 Corinthians chock full of Holy Spirit info)...
2007-07-29 20:25:52
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answered by Nicole B 4
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The father is called God in scripture, The Son is called God in scripture, and The Holt Spirit is called God in scripture. The scripture also says that there is only one God, and yet The Son speaks to The Father, The Father speaks to The Son, and The Son Speaks of The Spirit as a different person. Then when you look back at Genesis you say that God said "let us make man in our image"(plural). Then, almost immediatly, we are told that God made us in his image.(singular) All told that adds up to one God in three co-eternal, distinct persons. It doesn't have to say the word trinity in the bible. The concept is there clearly.
2007-07-29 20:07:41
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Because the word "we" is used multiple times in the Bible. Jesus prayed to the Father, and he said he would send the Comforter to the disciples. Then there was the voice from heaven when Christ was baptized. The Bible says to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21), therefore: What religion is Misha'al ibn Abdullah, what are his credentials and what other books has he written? Also, please name name some of the Biblical scholars and some of the Christian denominations along with a link specifically stating they believe man has changed the interpretation of the Bible.
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Yup! that's a 'toughie'! Made me do a little homework! It was worth the effort. though, I must say, you almost had me, I was down for the '10'. Ready to concede to the seeming truth of your declaration. You are right, in saying that the word 'trinity' does not appear in the Bible. However there are references to the 'triune' nature of God. Meaning that there is 'unity of thought and purpose between the 'three characters' Who most commonly represent God. They are the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Jesus made reference to this 'trio' in Matthew 28:18-20. When He commisioned His 11 followers to go into all nations making desciples of all peoples, baptizing them, in NAME of THE FATHER, THE SON(JESUS) & THE HOLY SPIRIT. I count three! what did you get?! My guess, is that through time,the challenge of language barriers, and the need for revised modernized translations,caused this concept and interpretation of the nature of God as 3in1 to be 'explained as such:Trinity of God' The important thing is 'What' or 'Whom' it represents not 'How' it's represented. There are many things in many of man's religions, that I'm sure God will be using the 'white out' on. I would be sad to learn that one of those things was your name from the "Lamb's Book of Eternal LIfe" While you used your time here to 'contend' with believers about 'doctrine' and missed the greatest opportunity of your lifetime, getting to know God through Jesus and the Holy Spirit.& discovering His purpose and blessings for your life! "Go in His Peace!" Sincerely, Rose
2007-07-29 21:36:31
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answered by God's Fountain Pen 4
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The Trinity is here:
-In that three separate forms of God are clearly mentioned throughout the New Testament (Father, Son, & Spirit)
-In that it is also said that there is only one God
-In that although the Father may have a greater role than the Son, this does not necessarily mean He is any more God
How would you explain one God and yet the presence of Father, Son, and Spirit in the NT?
2007-07-29 19:59:27
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Trinitarians will admit that the word "trinity" does not exist in the Bible. But they will insist that the concept of the trinity is there, which it isn't.
Here are a few other trinitarian "proofs."
John 8:58: "Before Abraham was I Am." Do you see three co-equal, co-eternal persons making up God here? No!
Gen. 1:26: "Let us make man in our image." Is this proof of the trinity? Amazingly when some Bible readers arrive at Genesis 1:26 and they read that God said "Let us make…", they leap to the conclusion that God is more than one Person. There is no logical reason for this. Scripture describes God as "I", "He," "Him," "Me" thousands of times. When on a very rare occasion God says, "Let us…" it means that God, who is one person, involves others with Him. How is it that some Bible readers imagine "Let us…" to mean "Let us THREE…" The verse says nothing about three members of a Godhead.
Matt. 28:19: "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit."Do this verse say that the Father, Christ, and the holy spirit constitute a Trinitarian Godhead, that the three are equal in substance, power, and eternity? No, it doesn't, any more than listing three people, such as Tom, Dick, and Harry, means that they are three in one.
John 1:1: "And the Word was God." (KJB) Before you say that this verse proves the trinity, do some counting first. Do you count THREE co-equal, co-eternal persons? I don't. Do you?
Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.
2007-07-29 19:56:52
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answered by LineDancer 7
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the word isn't in the bible but the reality and truth of the trinity is. constantine was not responsible for the council of nicea and the concept was believed prior to the council, the council merely reaffirmed the belief in response to sprouting heresies that may have lead the faithful astray. locate the writings of the early church fathers that preceed the council that attest to the christian belief in the trinity.
you can find some at http://www.scripturecatholic.com/
try also www.catholiceducation.org
this site shows the scripture that points out the trinity aswell
http://www.infpage.com/concordance/
2007-07-29 20:25:08
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answered by fenian1916 5
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The scriptures CLEARLY proclaim the divine nature of Christ. MOST opponents of Biblical truth on this have confused Arianism with TRUTH.
The Johannine comma is MEANINGLESS. It was unknown before the 14th century, BUT THE DIVINITY OF JESUS IS PRESENTED IN OVER 40 PASSAGES in John's gospel alone. The kjv includes several passages that were not original and is virtually useless to someone desiring to understand the scriptures. That has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL MESSAGE!
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 10:30 (Jesus says) I and the Father are one.”
31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
NOTICE John 10:33... WHY did the Jews try to stone Jesus?
Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
2007-07-29 19:57:18
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Whoa, you just started something, Trinitarians will say, "The concept of the trinity is seen through out the bible" but yet this is false, Jesus is God but not apart of a Trinity. I don't believe in the trinity but i know that Jesus is my God and savior.
You should have said "How many Christians know that the Trinity doctrine doesn't exsist in the Bible?"
2007-07-29 19:57:52
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answered by Anonymous
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