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Exactly what logical scientific evidence is there that God doesn't exist? Don't just say, "The same reason the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist" I would like to know exactly what evidence is there. Please no links, just from your own words.

2007-07-28 23:58:38 · 19 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

And as a responce to some of you, but when did I judge? I just want to know why you believe what you believe, no judgement.

2007-07-29 00:05:28 · update #1

19 answers

Ok, An atheist will take the lack of logic inherently in God as proof that God does not exist. It is hard to answer that God does not exist without a definition of God too refute. But if you want to say that God is Omnibenevolent (i.e all-good), which christians, muslims and Jews do believe, An atheist will point towards evidence in the bible that where God is not acting good at all (for example in committing genocide, several times in the old testament, and ordering the slaughter of innocence such as pregant women) or alternatively he or she may point out that there is in fact evil in the world and all of this is within God's power to control, not just man made evil, but parasites that kill human children slowly and painfully, earthquakes, maladies etc. This isn't just an atheistic practice, it is the same method a hindu might use to say the Christian God does not exist, the Christians more or less relied on the practice over the last couple of thousand years to disprove pagan religions.

So an athiest can argue that the conception of the character of God is false from philosophy alone, so long as we are supplied with a definition of God to work with.

Now in the realm science, or rather, the world of laws that we can prove empirically what we quickly find when looking at the history of science is that there becomes less and less of a need to explain the unknown, because as we progress in science we figure out how things work- gravity, evolution and disiplines like physics and molecular biology explain things in a sense where God becomes unneccessary, the only reason to put God into the equation is if we already have him there. Without God in the equation we can still see logically and mathematically how evolution works, how gravity works, whereas the evidence and truths in theological books about such fields, biology and physics -becomes more and more obviously incorrect.

Now what you might say it this point is, "wait a second, Science doesn't know what happens to our consciousness when we die, it can't explain ghosts, and whilst it might say it can explain the creation of the world and the galaxy, it can't explain the creation of the universe!

And this is fine, Science is not a religion, don't forget, a religion NEEDS to answer these questions,and in the very begining. Science is a shifting sand it has refined itself through the ages, science starts with a little question, and gets a little answer, these answers add up to build the bigger picture. There are absolutely questions that science can't yet answer, but those that it can have proven far more reliable than those in any theological text, and the big picture so far is that there is no need for God, no need for intelligent design.

How this ends up in fact, is that having God in the equation actually becomes hazardous, because when you have an answer that explains everything, you STOP looking for an answer that would otherwise be found (this is why we thought the earth was a flat circle for 1500 years, whereas 2000 years ago, scholars and academics of the time there were already theories from astrologers and philosophers of the time that in fact, it was a sphere! This wishful, or magical thinking is evidenced to impede our progress it HAS impeded our progress, it DOES now (eg. stem cell research.) and it will in the future.

I am more than happy to discuss this with you or anyone else more deeply. Just give me an email or an IM, and if you want more details in this answer simply leave an amendment to this question. I could elaborate on any point here but i'd be taking a whole page to myself :)

Thanks for making me work the brain a little.
Way.

edit.
Touche John G. Thumbs up from me. But i will add that i propose that my example of the flat earth is ideal rather then self-defeating. For it is one of those truths that, whilst it was self-evident for any particularly clever mathematician and astronomer or sailor using the same technology that was available to both Christians and the Greeks, It took until Galileo really, and a lot of burning corpses for people to accept that this fact was so.

The wonderful religious institutions that are paving the way in many forms of scientific research, but they can only do this because the people won over being held sway by dogma in the struggle that culminated in the age of enlightenment. Universities before the 1700's were almost entirely religious institutions, where theology was a part of every subject. And breaking religious conventions was strictly prohibited (and by strictly, i mean, they killed you).

2007-07-29 00:20:16 · answer #1 · answered by Way 5 · 5 0

First off, there cannot proof or evidence for the non-existence (a negative assertion---whoops thats an oxymoron) of anything. There can only be proof for the existence (positive assertion) of something.

Therefore, any theory (or god) that is presented (made up) MUST have proof before being accepted or even considered. That is why the tooth fairy example is used (same logic).

In conclusion, the LACK of evidence for the existence of god is the only "evidence" necessary to dismiss the concept of god.

2007-07-29 00:03:01 · answer #2 · answered by misterFR33ZE 3 · 4 0

I don't know how many times this has been asked and explained. The person who makes the claim that something exists or has occurred has the burden of proof. If I tell you I was abducted by invisible aliens and returned in time to moment before they abducted me, do you have to accept what I say? Does it make invisible aliens plausible to you? I am guessing you would require some proof before you started believing in invisible aliens abducting people. Same idea with claiming deities exist. Do you believe in Allah? Can you prove he doesn't exist. Then why don't you believe, is it because you have no evidence or reason to believe in Allah? Same with your God. You believe on faith and the desire to believe it. You convince yourself from there. If that sort of belief is not logical in other areas of life why does religion get a pass. Especially when some people want to push it onto others.

2007-07-29 00:06:46 · answer #3 · answered by Zen Pirate 6 · 1 0

Because there NO compelling evidence/argument for me to believe that a "god" does indeed exist. All of the "evidence" for the supposed existence of a "supreme being" offered to me can be readily attributed/explained to other phenomena. From my perspective, events on our planet make a lot more sense without attempting to interject a supposedly all-powerful "loving" god into them.

FYI - I don't believe in the "Tooth Fairy" either.

2007-08-04 06:47:51 · answer #4 · answered by 222 Sexy 5 · 0 0

> Exactly what logical scientific evidence is
> there that God doesn't exist?

It simply is that it is impossible to prove a negative - the entire Universe would have to be explored to bring such a proof, an utterly impractical way.

The burden of proof belongs to the believers, as it is much simpler to prove a positive. Just one positive, verifiable proof is sufficient.

We're still waiting for this proof. We're not holding our breath.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."
-- Carl Sagan

> I just want to know why you believe what you
> believe, no judgement.

Atheism is the absence of belief, not the belief in absence — in the same way as baldness isn't a hair color.
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2007-07-29 00:13:03 · answer #5 · answered by par1138 • FCD 4 · 1 0

I am not a true atheist but, I don't follow anything blindly. I find that only leads to falling on my butt! So my answer to you would I believe in a higher power but i do not believe that this higher power told others to write down his words in a book! Why not on stone much more to the point. Are you telling me that as a christian you believe the parts in the bible that say its OK to beat women? See i think it was written by men so its highly possible that the truth was slightly stretched! Oh and i don't believe God (or for others Higher power) would give a hoot about money or say you'll go to hell if you do not attend a church! I personally think if you prayed at home and never stepped foot in a church it would make no difference as long as God (or see above quotations) could hear you right?! So as far as God goes I believe him to be possible as for the bible I believe it to be an exaggerated story and nothing more.

2007-07-29 00:09:11 · answer #6 · answered by raven33511 2 · 0 1

There is a simple experiment which can conclusively prove whether or not a omniscient, almighty, benevolent God exists and watches over humanity.

1) Load 1,000 six-cylinder revolvers with 3 bullets each, spin them each to a random chamber, and pull the triggers once each. Record the number of shots fired. Roughly 50% of the guns will fire.

2) Repeat step 1, but this time aim each of the guns at the head of devout believer who is praying earnestly for God to save him. If none of the guns fire, God exists. If 50% of the guns fire, God doesn't.

The fact that believers refuse to volunteer for this sort of objective experiment proves that they do not believe in the saving power of God.

2007-07-29 00:21:06 · answer #7 · answered by scifiguy 6 · 3 0

there is no evidence that the tooth fairy doesn't exist thats way we say it

I don't see why this is so difficult to understand

if there is no evidence that something exists it is logical to assume it doesn't. Especially when the thing in question is rather improbable in the first place.

You're the one who has to prove that your god exists. The onus is on YOU

2007-07-29 01:10:03 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Well, I don't really understand when you say that "Jesus believed in himself." Jesus knew that he was the Son of God but the power to do things wasn't from himself. It was from the Father. When Jesus prayed, He prayed to the Father, not Himself. Jesus said, "The Father in me, He doeth the works." The Trinity is God in 3 parts. There is only One God true. However, its like this, when you say "God," which member of God are you referring to. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit make up God. "God" cannot function if even ONE was missing. A Christian is someone who is representing Christ in words, thoughts, and actions. They are truly representing Christ to the best of their abilities and are walking in Him daily. The phrase, "true Christian" comes about b/c today everyone is calling themselves "Christian" and by their words and actions, even over this internet, they are not. So because everyone uses the word Christian christian and I'm a christian it has just lost its meaning so that the unconverted person could basically call themself Christian. I know a Christian is supposed to be "true" But.............you get where I'm coming from. "Judge not lest you be judged." I think people get confused a lot when this phrase comes about. You'll say something and then this person will say, "Well the Bible says, Judge not." ------Judging can have different meanings. For example: 1. A judge can make a judgment in court for a criminal. 2. You can make a judgment, or the best word is "inference" based on a person's words and actions. -----------------But are you judging them the way the Bible said not to??? Noooo.------------------------- 3. Last of all you can make a judgment by that which the Bible condemns. You might talk bad about someone and say this and that and gossip and judge that person a certain way that you shouldn't. I believe THAT is the judgment the Bible is talking about. Whoo! This was kind of long, eh? God bless, nonetheless. (I know that rhymes.)

2016-05-17 05:00:05 · answer #9 · answered by ? 3 · 0 0

Many atheists like me will tell you that they don't believe in god, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist...
What's the point on trying to persuade someone who believe in god that god doesn't exist... Pointless...

We should accept the fact that everyone is different, and have different beliefs... When that day will come, then this earth will finally be peaceful

2007-07-29 00:04:14 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

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