And the Lord was with Judah, and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. (Judg. 1:19.)
heck, he can't even beat a bunch of iron chariots.
2007-07-28 15:56:02 · 19 answers · asked by Samurai Jack 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Sorry folks, it clearly says god was with Judah, but they couldn't beat the iron chariots.
It's not out of context, and there's no other way to read it.
God was with him, and the valley chariots defeated them both. Period.
2007-07-28 16:02:53 · update #1
The Bible is nonsense and those who read it and believe it are unbelievable.
Judah couldn't even succeed with God's help, according to this myth out of the book.
2007-07-28 16:01:26 · answer #1 · answered by JiveMan 2 · 1⤊ 4⤋
It's saying God was with Judah so that he(Judah) took possession of the mountainous region, but don't forget that it was still the men of Judah fighting and they didn't have anything to go up against war chariots with iron scythes. In later chapters in the Hebrew Scriptures, you also read that God allowed some of the inhabitants not to be driven out so as to test the Israelites. God is undefeatable by anyone, just one of God's angels destroyed 185,000 men of war in one night, and the angel gets his power from God. Soon everyone gets to find out just how powerful God is when he destroys this wicked world but saves his righteous worshipers through it all.
2007-07-28 23:07:29 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
“Then Jehovah’s angel went up from Gilgal to Bochim and said: ‘I proceeded to bring you up out of Egypt and to bring you into the land about which I swore to your forefathers. Furthermore, I said, “Never shall I break my covenant with you. And for your part, you must not conclude a covenant with the inhabitants of this land. Their altars you should pull down.” But you have not listened to my voice. Why have you done this? So I, in turn, have said, “I shall not drive them away from before you, and they must become snares to you, and their gods will serve as a lure to you.”’”—Judg. 2:1-3.
Showing how Israel had “not listened” to God, the Scriptures relate that the tribe of Judah neglected to dispossess the inhabitants of a certain area of southern Canaan “because [the inhabitants] had war chariots with iron scythes.” (Judg. 1:19) Apparently these scythed chariots frightened the tribe of Judah. Thereafter the tribes of Benjamin, Manasseh, Ephraim, Zebulun, Asher, Naphtali and Dan likewise failed to drive out the Canaanite inhabitants of numerous cities and dependent towns. Instead, they consented to dwell in among the Canaanites, setting some of them to “forced labor.”—Judg. 1:21-36.
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people with the chariots were left as a 'lure' to the israelites. A sort of a test to their faithfulness.
When we do schooling, are we not tested at the end of term. Do we not have to 'sit' a driving test to show our competence?
Would you fly with an airline whose pilots had not been 'tested'?
2007-07-28 23:59:15 · answer #3 · answered by pugjw9896 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Actually, I think you may be right. I've read that before, and never DID come up with any way around it. Maybe that's what gives the Antichrist the idea that HE can defeat God at Armageddon. It'll be interesting to find out what the truth of that passage is.
2007-07-28 23:10:29 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
i'd like to know what version you're using--mine keeps joshua as the subject, not god. the people in the valley were called the amorites, and they held out in other places as well, making the border of the land of caanan (aka the holy land). other people held out as well, undefeated by the tribes. god used these people to border the specific land god wanted the israelites to inhabit. does it mean that god wasn't with them when they were defeated? no, it means god didn't want them to take that land.
2007-07-28 23:07:11 · answer #5 · answered by JP 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Nitpicking Sophist!
2007-07-28 23:00:26 · answer #6 · answered by the old dog 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
God has purposes in allowing His people to lose in certain situations. This is just such a case. God is all-powerful.
When you interpret the Bible, please remember that the Bible does not contradict itself. When it seems to, you need to recheck the assumption that leads to the apparent contradiction.
2007-07-28 23:11:19 · answer #7 · answered by Bob T 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are not a very astute reader.
It says Judah could not drive them out,
it does not say God could not drive them out.
Aren't you getting a little dogmatic in your interpretation?
You aren't being affected by these crazy fundamentalists are you?
2007-07-28 22:59:59 · answer #8 · answered by wefmeister 7 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Anybody who says that the 'he' refers to Judah needs to brush up their grammar.
2007-07-28 23:04:20 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
"... They that are unlearned and unstable do wrestle, as they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction". (II Peter 3:16)
Thanks for proving that the Scriptures are true.
2007-07-28 23:16:42 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋