Is it possible to prove the existence of god without citing a religious text?

Question

Citing religious texts results in circular logic.

Example: The Bible says that God is real and God inspired the Bible.
Example II: The Quran says that god is real and god inspired the Quran.

This is circular logic and is therefore flawed.

I am looking for proof of any god.

Please no jargon about how I am an evil atheist, no attacks on evolution or science as I didn't mention evolution or science and please no rambling emotional testimonies about how you felt god as your feelings are not hard proof of anything.

The last two times I have asked this question I have mostly received rambling emotional testimonies and people pointing out the complexity of the life as proof. These things are not proof. One person actually cited religious text at me and several others left an unrelated comment about how the Bible predates the Quran.

Saying that our existence is enough proof of the existence of god is not hard evidence.

I await your responses.

Answer 1

You have gotten them response because there isn't any proof other then text written by people who could have made it all up.

Answer 2

There is not any hard evidence that any god exists. Also, you cannot prove that god exists logically. Unfortunately, anything that anyone could say about god actually falls short of the genuine article, simply because of the nature of god is ineffable. That is not any proof, but if something is ineffable and unknowable, how can someone prove it's existence with logic? Logic requires someone to say something logically, it requires words and sentences to form premises, etc. You cannot describe or prove the existence of anything ineffable with logic. Again this is not proof, but it explains why such an undertaking would be impossible. Yet, that does not mean that god does not exist. I am of the mind that thinks the descriptions and myths about god are there to lead you to something ineffable, but are not to be taken litterally.

Answer 3

In your kitchen cabinet, you've probably got a spray
bottle with an adjustable nozzle. If you twist the nozzle
one way, it sprays a fine mist into the air. You twist
the nozzle the other way, it squirts a jet of water
in a straight line. You turn that nozzle to the exact
position you want so you can wash a mirror, clean up
a spill, or whatever.

If the universe had expanded a little faster, the
matter would have sprayed out into space like fine
mist from a water bottle - so fast that a gazillion
particles of dust would speed into infinity and never even
form a single star.

If the universe had expanded just a little slower, the
material would have dribbled out like big drops of water,
then collapsed back where it came from by the force
of gravity.

A little too fast, and you get a meaningless
spray of fine dust. A little too slow, and the whole
universe collapses back into one big black hole.

The surprising thing is just how narrow the difference
is. To strike the perfect balance between too fast and
too slow, the force, something that physicists call
"the Dark Energy Term" had to be accurate to one part in
ten with 120 zeros.

If you wrote this as a decimal, the number would
look like this:

0.000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000001

In their paper "Disturbing Implications of
a Cosmological Constant" two atheist scientists
from Stanford University stated that the existence of
this dark energy term "Would have required a miracle...
An external agent, external to space and time, intervened
in cosmic history for reasons of its own."

Just for comparison, the best human engineering
example is the Gravity Wave Telescope, which was built with
a precision of 23 zeros. The Designer, the 'external
agent' that caused our universe must possess an intellect,
knowledge, creativity and power trillions and trillions
of times greater than we humans have.

Absolutely amazing.

Now a person who doesn't believe in God has to find
some way to explain this. One of the more common explanations
seems to be "There was an infinite number of universes, so it
was inevitable that things would have turned out right
in at least one of them."

The "infinite universes" theory is truly an amazing theory.
Just think about it, if there is an infinite number of
universes, then absolutely everything is not only possible...
It's actually happened!

It means that somewhere, in some dimension, there is
a universe where the Chicago Cubs won the World Series last
year. There's a universe where Jimmy Hoffa doesn't get
cement shoes; instead he marries Joan Rivers and becomes
President of the United States. There's even a
universe where Elvis kicks his drug habit and still
resides at Graceland and sings at concerts. Imagine
the possiblities!

I might sound like I'm joking, but actually I'm dead
serious. TO BELIEVE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF UNIVERSES MADE LIFE POSSIBLE BY RANDOM CHANCE IS TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE I JUST SAID, TOO.

Some people believe in God with a capital G.

And some folks believe in Chance with a Capital C.

Peace and blessings!

Answer 4

You know, Dolphins are the only mamal born tail (feet) first?
They do this because if they were born head first, they would drowned before their tail came out.
Can evolution explain that? For the dolphin to have made the VERY FIRST dolphin it would have to have been born currectly, or the very first dolphin would have died.

Do you know where Vanilla comes from? It comes from the Vanilla bean, which grows on the Vanilla Bean plant. What is odd about the vanilla bean plant is that it is a flowering plant that has to be polinated, but what is really odd, is that their is only ONE bee that can polinate this flower. The bee is also dependent apon the Vanilla Bean plant, because that is the ONLY source of its food. So, you have 2 species that are DEPENDANT upon one anouther. Evolution cannot explain how 2 species could have evolved at the EXACT SAME TIME to become dependant upon one anouther.

There is this species of NON-SWIMMING bird that lives in Alaska (the species name escapes me). They lay their eggs in alaska and then the make a 72 hour, nonstop journey from Alaska to Hawaii. Theses birds do not stop to rest anywhere on their journey, because there is no land to rest on, and since they are non-swimming birds, they will not land in the water. But what is EVEN MORE AMAZING thant that, is when their eggs finaly do hatch, they fly to Hawaii without anyone showing them where to go! They are BORN knowing the direct path to Hawaii! Eveloution cant explain that either.

The Garaiffe has an incredibly powerful heart to pump an enourmouse amount of blood up to their hearts. Its incredible system. But, what would have happend to the first Giraffe when they bent over to take a drink of water? Well, the heart is so powerfull, that the presure of their blood would have made their heads exploid when they went for the first drink. If evolution is correct, then the first Giraffe would have had no way to reproduce, because it would have died trying to get a drink of water. God was smarter than this, he gave the griaffe's neck has tiny valves that are switched whenever a giraffe bends down to drink some water. There is also a spounge undernieth the Giraffe's brain to soak up any excess blood and prevent the Giraffe's brains from exploading all over the savanah.

God created everything like it says in Genesis. God is the ultimate designer. Evolution cannot explain the wonders of our world, it cannot explain how a-sexual orginisms all of the sudden turned into sexual orginisms. Evolution would say this was a step in the oposite direction and it cannot explain it.

Darwin himself said that if we did not find the billions of transitional species that should exist (for instance, between the beging to ape to man) within 100 years of his theory, then we should throw out his theory. For some reason we have heald onto this theory like it is gospel, but all of literally thousands of transitional species that should have existed between us an apes, simply do not exist. Also, why did man evolve equily all around the world? That disproves Darwin, because for "millions of years" there were humans living in seperate parts of the world, but we are all humans, you do not have any half-humans. We are all created by God.

God's creation is evidence of his existance.

God Bless,
-Baldwin

Answer 5

As a Wiccan, I do not receive my proof of the Deities from any book. I was touched by Their living presence, and that is the proof that led me to investigate theism again after many years of atheism.

Nor do I feel a particular need to prove Their existence. If They want to contact you (assuming They exist), They will. In the meantime, I honor the natural world as Their living body and pursue my faith through attuning myself to Their energies. To me, a forest or a field is a far better cathedral than any building raised by the hands of man.

Answer 6

Yes, the world is filled with immence complexity. It's probably more likely that the Sistene Chapel was made by paint splashing on the ceiling then amino acids lining up right for just one strand of DNA. When we have all the factors of finetuning life/intelligent life, gravity, rate of universal expansion, position of our solar system in the galaxy, position of earth in contrast to the moon and sun, and so many more, the likelyhood that it occured by mere chance is worse then the probablilty of picking up one specific atom in the entire universe and three universes just like it. The only solution is design.

Answer 7

Take a trip to the mountains or a forest. Take a good look around you and truly ponder "how did all of this happen"?

Have you ever looked at a painting and said "a painter made that painting". Or looked at a building and said "that building means there must be a builder". Well how about creation. There must also be a creator. That Creator is God. Extremely intelligent and extremely complex to have made such a complex creation.

Answer 8

That's a hard question. Belief in God for me is based on faith and answered prayers and the miracles that I have seen in my life., and others lives. When I was younger someone told me that explaining God was like explaining that we cant see air, but we know its there. You cant see gravity but you know what goes up must come down. You cant prove something is there if you cant see it. You just have to have faith its there.

Answer 9

there are many things we know about electricity that are not known, but we know enough about it to be able to harness it and use it effectively, instead of concentrating on what God has revealed about himself, all too often we get bogged down in our thinking because we try to understand concepts that the human mind simply cannot grasp, science has a very important function but when it leaves the realm of the known and probes into the realm of the unknown to explain origins, it is out of its field!

Answer 10

alrighty, God is everything that we see around us. You have a conscious, thoughts, emotions, logic and feelings.

since you dont want us to attack evolution or science it is pretty unfair, huh? Im sure you realize this so you must not belive in evolution, lest you asked a stupid question.
So it looks like you want us to prove how God exists.
You exist? Don't you? Someone must have created you, and that someone must have been God.

and dont bring evolution into this since we cant discuss it