RE:Does anyne else here realize like I just did?

Question

That do to all the recent questions regarding Ishmael's covenant, I have fund out that Hagar, the mother of Ishmael (the patriarch of the Arabs) worshipped Jehovah? Not Allah, but Jehovah.
Would that not mean that Ishmael also worshipped Jehovah?
Genesis 16:13 Then she began to call the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her.

Does this mean that the Jews, Christians and Muslims all share a common bond in that they all refuse to use God's personal name in their worship?

Using Strong's Exhaustive Concardance, we see that the word LORD, used in the 1611 King James Version, and most other Bible translations is really Jehovah.
In Strong's the Hebrew/Chaldee word is # 3068-Yehovah, transliterated into English? Jehovah.

So (sorry for my excitement) why do these three major religions not use God's personal name in their prayers and worship?

sorry 'Silenced Lamb'
no can do. The Greek word used at John 20:28 is kurios (#2962) and has as it's primary definitions: supreme, controller, by impl. Mr. ( as a respectful title) -god Lord master.
Again, the context must fit.
I now know who you are so I know you will disagree, and I am allright with that.
Just do not expect me to cowtow to any person ( even a current JW) if the evidence does not fit.
The biggest problem with all religions is the attempts by some to cover over the available definitions of key words so as to promote their personal slant.

BTW? Wrong Bible? I use the King James and The Strong's for this info, do you assume I used something else "Silenced"?

Answer 1

During any period of Bible history if you actually read the Bible you will see that God's servants used his name.
For example in the book of Ruth:

(Ruth 2:4) 4 And, look! Bo´az came from Beth´le·hem and proceeded to say to the harvesters: "Jehovah be with YOU." In turn they would say to him: "Jehovah bless you."

Even outside of the Bible his people in Bible times used his name. An example of this is the "Lachish letters" which are from one of the last fortresses to fall to the Babylonians.

Letter number IV contains the statement: "May YHWH [that is, Jehovah] let my lord hear even now tidings of good. . . . we are watching for the fire signals of Lachish, according to all the signs which my lord gives, because we do not see Azekah." This passage remarkably expresses the situation described at Jeremiah 34:7 and apparently indicates that Azekah had already fallen or at least was failing to send out the fire or smoke signals expected. Letter number III, written by "Hoshaiah," includes the following: "May YHWH [that is, Jehovah] cause my lord to hear tidings of peace! . . . And it has been reported to your servant saying, ‘The commander of the army, Coniah son of Elnathan, has come down in order to go into Egypt and to Hodaviah son of Ahijah and his men he has sent to obtain [supplies] from him.’" Of special interest is the frequent use of the Tetragrammaton in these letters, thus manifesting that at that time the Jews had no aversion to the use of the divine name.

The very frequency of the appearance of the name attests its importance to the Bible’s author, whose name it is. The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew text (BHK and BHS). This is confirmed by the Theologisches Handwörterbuch zum Alten Testament, Vol. I, edited by E. Jenni and C. Westermann, 3rd ed., Munich and Zurich, 1978, cols. 703, 704.

Among God’s people of ancient Israel the Divine Name indeed held an honored place. The people expressed God’s name in their worship and Scripture readings, in their daily conversations, as well as in their contacts with other nations. Thus they became known far and wide as the people who worshiped Jehovah. the Scriptures draw a contrast between Israel and "the kingdoms that have not called upon your own name."

(Psalm 79:6)  6 Pour out your rage upon the nations that have not known you, And upon the kingdoms that have not called upon your own name.

(Jeremiah 10:25) 25 Pour out your rage upon the nations who have ignored you, and upon the families who have not called even upon your name. For they have eaten up Jacob. Yes, they have eaten him up, and they keep at exterminating him; and his abiding place they have desolated.

To know and use God's name is essential to salvation and that is why Jehovah has made his name known:

(Exodus 9:15-16) 15 For by now I could have thrust my hand out that I might strike you and your people with pestilence and that you might be effaced from the earth. 16 But, in fact, for this cause I have kept you in existence, for the sake of showing you my power and in order to have my name declared in all the earth.
Years later, the woman Rahab living in distant Jericho said: "We have heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea from before you when you came out of Egypt . . . Jehovah your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath." Rahab did not merely use a title such as ‘God,’ but also used God’s distinctive name.—Josh. 2:10, 11.

(Joel 2:32) 32 And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling."

If you consider the scriptures at Exodus and Joel I just quoted Paul also referred to these same two scriptures in his letter to the Romans at 9:17 and 10:13. So it is on the basis of god's name and how individuals respond to it that has to do with whether they receive the free gift of life.

(Malachi 3:16) 16 At that time those in fear of Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance began to be written up before him for those in fear of Jehovah and for those thinking upon his name.

Again, this is a gift, but it is not unconditional: a person has to come to know both God and his son that he sent as a ransom.The nation of Israel was to have a prominent part in the proclamation of God’s name. Jehovah said to them: "You are my witnesses . . . and I am God." (Isa. 43:12) Yes, they were to serve as Jehovah’s witnesses. And God meant that his name Jehovah should always have a prominent place in true worship, saying: "This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation."—Ex. 3:15. Thus it has been called "the memorial name"

.What about Muslims, and why don't they use God's name?

"Allah" is not a personal name. "Allah" is a shortened form of the Arabic term meaning "the god."



Allah
1702, Muslim name of the Supreme Being, from Arabic Allahu, contr. of al-Ilahu, from al "the" + Ilah "God," rel. to Heb. Elohim.

Practically without exception Jews have accepted the view expressed in their Mishnah, which proclaims: "And these are they that have no share in the world to come: he that says there is no resurrection of the dead . . . and that the Law is not from heaven . . . Also he that pronounces the Name in its proper letters."—Sanhedrin 10:1, translation by Herbert Danby, Oxford University Press, 1933.

The American Standard Version of 1901, explains in its preface: "The change first proposed in the Appendix [of the English Revised Version]—that which substitutes ‘Jehovah’ for ‘LORD’ and ‘GOD’ (printed in small capitals)—is one which will be unwelcome to many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms displaced. But the American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament . . . This personal name, with its wealth of sacred associations, is now restored to the place in the sacred text to which it has an unquestionable claim."

The "short" answer is that God's people use his name, and so if people do not, then they are not.

Answer 2

I have been participating in answer's concerning JW's and even posted some questions that JW's participated in. Thank you for all your time and knowledge. BUT now here where SilenceLamb once was in the faith and now left the faith for her personal reason. Now goes against the Faith and will post it all the time singling out the JW's. I don't know how God approves or disapproves of that action. There are strong believer's of the Faith here also that will defend and protect their beliefs; and I agree you have the right to do so. I really don't think all this bashing is a good idea; especially for the ones that are so excited to know more and more everyday. It sort of like tearing us in half on where to put our trust. I prayed to Jehovah God that he will take these obstacles in our way and cast it aside that we shall not be blinded.
I just want to share my feelings to make you realize about the danger that can happen to lead one away or to lead one to the truth. Can there be a solution to this problem? It is a problem.

Answer 3

When I 1st heard, about this & starting researching
'God's personal name.'
I read, after hearing on the public radio,
that His name was removed.
Also, that where it is in this manner;
"LORD" that is where His name was removed.
Where it is written in this manner;"Lord"
the person said Lord.
1 of the 1st things I did was check the KJ Bible
that was given 2 me in 1981.
It has beautiful pictures w/ a verse 4 pages; 1 on each side.
Ps 8:9 says:
"O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth."
When I got a NWT I compared the verses...
Ps 8:9 says:
"O Jehovah our Lord, how majestic your name is in all the earth."
KJ--Ps 113:3 says:
"From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised."
NWT:Ps 113:3 says:
"From the rising of the sun until its setting Jehovah's name is to be praised."

Who of YOU cannot see this?
I can readily 'SEE' the difference.
Both say how Great His "name' is in all the earth.
Only the KJ translation does not use it!
In all the places it was @ in the Hebrew,Greek & Aramiac texts.

I discern, that those who worship Him,
MUST USE His "name."
To be identified--seperated from the gods of the nations.
To Not use His self-appointed most Holy name is a diservice and a dishonor to our Sovereign Lord and God...Jehovah

Eve was the 1st to use His name @ Gen.4:1 we read:
Now Adam had intercourse with Eve his wife and she became pregnant.
In time she gave birth to Cain and said:
"I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah."
BA

Answer 4

Do you know why the dont like to pronounce the name of Jehovah?

Demons are scrared of that almighty name, that name remind them the future they have , total anhilitation, if you notice how Michael the Archangel when was fighting with the Cherubin the betrayed God , the one we know as Satan, the Archangel is definitly more powerful, it is like comparing to guys one with 7 feet and 300 pounds of pure muscles and that practices ahikido with another that is a regular guy , this is just to make a comparision, but even that strong , superpowerful angel didn´t defeat that Cherubim he only said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” (Judas 9)

That is the point, they fear that name they don´t like to mentioned cause the demons that possess their minds hate that name,

Answer 5

I can't speak for all christians, but I have definitely used the name Jehovah when I prayed. In fact, I have known people to use many if not all the names of God in prayer.

Answer 6

Sounds well researched to me and would fit the context of the bible.
As we all descended form the same place under the same god as some would not have liked the rules of god they would have formed there own thinking or views on god, taught their children and down the line it would of when ,changing until it looked nothing like the true teachings of the bible.

Answer 7

thats a lot of discussion for a bottom line point of:
>>"why do these three major religions not use God's personal name in their prayers and worship?"<<

and this is actually not that hard of a question, at leats for me.

Judaism does not use the tetragrammaton during worship because:
1) we don't know how to pronounce it, and trying,when you know it'll be wrong, like that, is deliberately mis-pronouncing it, which is an offensive act. why offend God like that when you have no need to?
2) its too powerful. even in temple times when the pronunciation was known, there was *one* situation in worship where the ACTUAL name was publically said. and this was during the actual yom kippur temple service.

Answer 8

Many theologians believe Muhammed came from Ishmael's line

Answer 9

I don't think it really matters what you call God as long as you realize who God really is and allah is not God. God's covenant is with Isaac. God promised that Sarah would be the mother of nations, not Hagar. As long as you know the only way to Our Heavenly Father is through Christ Jesus, then you are fine.

God Bless.

Answer 10

I agree with Adam's Rib. she will slander Jehovah Witness in anyway she can. even Jesus Christ use God's name Jehovah. Pharaoh said who is Jehovah that I should listen to him. well Jehovah showed him who Jehovah is. so even Pharaoh knew God's name

Answer 11

reading the wrong bible again kiddo. (I stand corrected)



Apply your same logic to John 20 where Thomas sees Christ and Calls him LORD (Jehovah)...That is the scripture that got me excited...can you give me an amen?!


While you have that Strongs out...look up John 1:1...you can not use that for your own purposes to twist theology...It is either a good sound concordance, or it is not. Which is it?

Why do you not call God Abba Father, like Jesus did...you should be called Abba's Witnesses...or did your prophets forsee that you might be confused with an 80"s disco group?...(just having a little fun)



John 20:28 Kurios and Thaos....Lord and Almighty ...Thomas was calling Jesus, Jehovah



HI foxtort...We can respectfullly disagree...


EDIT..I would change the rainbow thing,,,It makes you appear something other than I suspect that you are...REALLY