Indeed. Voluntary or involuntary?

Question

Either Jesus' death was voluntary; in which case he commited suicide, a sin to end all sins? OR his death was involunatry; in which case he got caught by Roman soldiers and they hung him out to dry, thereby not sacrifising himself for anyone's sins. With the Roman soldiers it was involuntary, without them it was suicide. (Thanks for that Locust) If you can't see the contradictory nature of accepting both answers, then you shouldn't answer until you've given your brain a kick start first.

Hannah J Paul, because he couldn't keep his screwed up beliefs to himself, millions of people died, were raped and/or enslaved during the Holy Crusades.

Refuse to resist execution? That's what Socrates did, a lot better by the way, he didn't go out screaming his head of about imaginary people forsaking him. But nobody's bending backwards to kiss his @ss are they?

Answer 1

I think it was suicide: which is also why I think the bible is very mistaken about its opinion that people who commit suicide go to hell.

Again I say it; those darned Romans! Get off my lawn, you lot!

Answer 2

It is not slavery to do public service. If so all the Swiss are slaves because of the manatory military requirement. I see nothing Orwellian nor is it the antithesis of to a capitalist society. In fact you should take the time to read Margaret Mead's book, the Wagon and the Star or take a good class in Social and Cultural History of the US. Volunteer Public Service goes back to the very Puritan roots of the Country. It is one of the differences between our Country and many other countries. It has nothing to do with mind control or spying or denying the right to read and think. That is Bush territory. We cannot pay down the debt, keep fighting the war, keep borrowing from other Countries and not raise taxes. That is nuts by any standard.

Answer 3

Jesus' death was voluntary, He chose to die and save mankind but He did not kill Himself. So it was not suicide. The Romans soldiers could not have hung Him on the cross if Jesus had allowed Pilate to set Him free because of His innocence.

Answer 4

You are correct that Jesus willingly accepted death.

However, the Catechism defines suicide as taking ones own life. Jesus did not take His own life. He was executed by the state and did not resist.

He gave His life to ransom us. Again, this does not fall under the definition of suicide. As another person answered, if a man let himself die in place of his wife, that is not suicide but a great act of love.

And part of the sacrifice Jesus made was not just giving up His life, but enduring the mockery and shame of being scourged and ridiculed and hung on a cross when He could have manifested His divine power at any moment and freed Himself.

Answer 5

He voluntarily gave His life so that we might keep ours.

This was not suicide. This was giving His life so that others might live eternally.

Does your brain need a kick start? Or does your heart need to be softened so that you will be more kind to others?

The last part of your question is rather smart-alecky, don't you think?
You could have easily left that off.

I guess you felt that you had to get a "dig" in, huh?
Manm you're attacking every Christian who answers.
I'm next, I imagine.
Have a good day!

Answer 6

Hello, "eyes shut." Jesus laid down His life voluntarily for you and me ( John 10 : 15-18 ) and it was in His power to take it back again, but He sacrificed His life instead of allowing us to perish. Why is this so hard to grasp that people would rather disgrace His penalty for our sins and burn in hell than accept it? Go figure, Satan is truly at work!

Answer 7

Sorry. May seem like a paradox but it is not. Voluntarily sacrificing one's life so that others might live is not suicide.

Hannah J Paul

Answer 8

If I offer my life to save my family even by say throwing myself on a bomb, it is not suicide, it is love.

Answer 9

maybe he is in hell.